Thread regarding Bank of New York Mellon Corp. layoffs

Im on the fence, agreed it should be everyone's own decision to get the jab or not. But i don't understand why a company isn't afforded the same right to have their choice? Playing devil's advocate here. Would like to hear both sides, for and against why a company shouldn't be allowed to have this. Looking at it same way as ma------a. It's legal in my state but the company says no. I am looking at it in same manner. If i want to smoke it i gotta find a new job. Or has the company said you can, i honestly don't know if they changed their stance. Thoughts?

Employers have no right to dictate employees what they put into their bodies. That is the argument. Has nothing to do with being an "anti-vaxxor" and has everything to do with being respected as a human being with rights!

My body, my choice! Not BNY Mellon's choice!

If only it were that simple to change careers for the sake of your personal medical choices. If you are really paying attention, all trends are pointing to a universal global mandate accompanied by a passport WHILE this shot is not even fully FDA approved yet! When it does get fully approved, good luck finding an employer, school, or sponsored gathering of any kind that won’t mandate it. And then there is the constant public shaming of those that do not take the shot courtesy of CNN & MSNBC. Life will literally be impossible for you from a practical and social standpoint unless you take the shot.

This place grows more ridiculous by the day. Can't wait for the next flip flop "communication". Many are simply refusing to return. There are so many remote opportunities out there. Laughable at this point.

I can’t wait for the corporate communication this week stating the expectation to get the monkeypox vaccine.

Lol vaccine impact is one of those nut job sites…and no, I’m def not a liberal. Im just not a sheep for the far right either. People need to stop whining, really. Do or don’t get the shot, should be your choice, I agree. But any company in this country should also have the choice to require it or not. If you are pro vax, find a place that requires it. If you’re anti vax, find a company that suits your feelings. Everyone wins in this situation because you will be working at a place that aligns with your values.

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/18928-dead-1-8-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-dr-g-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/ from the official figures

This was a fun read. It's even better than what I encounter on the big social media outlets. The Pro VAX folks don't have anything intelligent to support their loud opinions. They just repeat the talking points (and insults) that they hear on CNN. What makes this better is knowing that I work/have worked with some of you id--ts. Of course you are faceless/nameless as you post on here, but it is fun imagining you triggered in your cubicle as you are double masked with a tracking device in tow.

It’s discrimination. Plain n simple.

Turn off the tv. You’ll be less scared.

@1jqs
So is where you decide to work....

People go into a supermarket every day to work so everyone else can eat. Should they all be allowed to wfh?? Or do people here think they are more important than someone that works at the local grocery store? If they all decided to say they weren't going to work because they didn't feel safe none of you would have food on the table. I guarantee this place would be flooded with people complaining about grocery store workers not working or caring about everyone else. The entitlement is exhausting.

Today. "Pfizer vaccine 39% effective against Delta variant,"

Cudda swore they were just saying 97 last week. Then 70% earlier this week.

Ummm. Some of us eat healthy. Work out & are active & take vitamins & no meds.
Even so- the meds people take are VOLUNTARY!!

I was just thinking, people that are complaining about side effects of the vaccine have no brain. Every single medicine approved by the FDA runs the risk of experiencing some side effects. Look at any dr-g commercial on tv and they list them all..... does anyone opposing the vaccine take any medication for anything whatsoever? If so you are a hypocrite. Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated as you don't have to work at BNYM. You can go find another job!

My rights don’t end where your fear begins

Do for your family what you believe is right and I will do what’s right for mine. Quit trying to push your beliefs on others.

And what do you have to say about the 6000+ deaths possibly attributed to the vaccine on the CDC adverse reaction database? Do those lives not matter? How about injuries such as blood clots and Gillion bar syndrome. ???

Turn off the TV… You’ll feel better

You can still catch and spread covid with this shot and have to still wear a mask, and they’re already talking about having a THIRD shot. News flash useless eaters, ITS NOT EVEN A VACCINE! Now go back to hugging your television and worshipping big pharma and big gov. Pathetic.

Great job in getting vaccinated! …but standing up for the little guy against big government or big business?…Isn’t getting vaccinated standing up and giving respect to all humanity? My ‘little guy’ can’t get vaccinated, but I sure would feel more comfortable with this world if more people took the initiative to do their part in protecting society as a whole. Kids in school are required to be vaccinated for multiple things. It’s for societal good for public health. Why are adults exempt? Don’t we all want to live in a healthy society? We are Americans we have this privilege if people would only take advantage. The statistics are very clear at this point. I don’t understand your argument logically or ethically. Perhaps you can try to articulate it.

@1ayw, you ASSume we are anti-vaxxers because we don't think anyone should be forced to put something in their body when it only affects them. Most of us have been vaccinated and are standing up for the little guy against big gov, big bus and big id--ts who think they can control everyone else.

I’m not surprised at the anti van nonsense in this company. Stupid is as stupid does.

What? No mandate for vaccination for employees in India? Guess Todd doesn't care if they all croak. Must be the expendable segment of the staff.

Put on your tracking device and sit down. Be happy they haven't implemented phase 2 - electric shock collars for when you venture out of your assigned zone.

“The vaccine works, but you should still wear a face mask “ and vaccinated maskers are still getting Covid.

Pass

I'm surprised to see so many anti-vaxxers at BNY. I thought it was mostly the people holding down the left side of the bell curve who fell into that category. Science doesn't care about your opinions.

Now it's clear why the firm performs so poorly. A bunch of ID--TS work here.
Get the vaccine- or don't. Agree with the poster that stated if you don't like it then find another job.

Im a conservative and i got the vaccine. Don't lump me in with the conspiracy theorists please! Hey i support the far right from having the ability to choose to get vaccinated or not (don't agree with the uneducated logic but still support it). As i said earlier, its a free country, but as i also said, if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated they can find another job as no person is forced to work at a place, its a choice we all have. People need to stop crying, get vaccinated and get back to work. Or choose a company that you can either wfh or not need to be vaccinated. Its really that simple.

Anyone who wants to force this trash “vaccine” on anyone is a monster.

It doesn’t even protect you from catching and spreading covid. If you trust in the government and these companies you are blind!

Last time i checked its still a free country which means if you don't like it you can go find another job. Nobody is forcing anyone to work at BNYM....

You can tell who’s been watching a lot of main stream media news while they’re supposed to be working… Using every buzzword what the media uses to scare you to death and make you compliant

Why would I get a shot because I’m scared of a virus hasn’t made me sick yet in a year and a half knowing that that shot will make me sick….. wake up.

And the executives at our company are the biggest virtue signalers. Ask them to give up some of their huge bonus money for the greater good and see how they react

It's either require vaccination, which they can do legally, or offer weekly rapid Covid testing for all employees in office. Which do you think is more cost effective for the company?

@jgv you are pathologically high spirited

@iol Check the UK and Scotland stats. 1) It's the vaccinated who are spreading the virus. 2) The vaccination doesn't make you immune, it decreases your symptoms. 3) Please stop and examine why the entire world is pressing so hard to get everyone into conformity with the vaccine, then the vaccine passport methodology. It's the classic sales psychology - earn the easy "yes" and go from there. It's only 14 days. It's only 30 days. We only have to wait until the vaccine. You'll only have to get a booster every so often.

The fact remains we've lived with coronaviruses for at least 60 years, and likely much longer than that. We're immersed in, and contain, virus and bacteria. Those younger than 65 years of age have over an 99.8% survival rate without any treatment whatsoever, and generally slough it off without any issue.

Why aren't we quarantining the vulnerable and vaccinating them?
Why aren't we hearing about the critical role of Vitamin D?
Why aren't we being influenced to lose weight (top risk factor for serious COVID 19 illness)?
Why aren't we being influenced to get sun and exercise?
Why aren't we being given ideas for social connectedness?
Why is fear being used to control and coerce, knowing that it shuts down rational thinking and increases the severity of illness?

If our health was really important, and if our health was really the end goal, we'd see a very different message coming out. Instead, we have the world's government lock-step messaging, and coming after the livelihood of anyone who would dare to resist them.

We all want to believe it couldn't be this way. We all want to believe that there isn't something bigger behind all of this. Personally, I can't help but believe my "lying eyes."

I'm glad vaccination proof will be required

@xps please keep your insane and technically incorrect anti-vax comments to yourself.

You don't know what you are talking about, you don't know what mRNA is, and you're spreading id--tic lies. Maybe you do so unwittingly, because of bad education. Maybe you do so because you've talked to "experts" or watched youtube videos by charlatans that don't know what they are talking about.

But da---t, regardless of where you have gotten your mis-information from, any Linux kernel discussion list isn't going to have your id--tic drivel pass uncontested from me.

Vaccines have saved the lives of literally tens of millions of people.

Just for your edification in case you are actually willing to be educated: mRNA doesn't change your genetic sequence in any way. It is the exact same intermediate - and temporary - kind of material that your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal cell processes, and all that the mRNA vaccines do is to add a dose their own specialized sequence that then makes your normal cell machinery generate that spike protein so that your body learns how to recognize it.

The half-life of mRNA is a few hours. Any injected mRNA will be all gone from your body in a day or two. It doesn't change anything long-term, except for that natural "your body now knows how to recognize and fight off a new foreign protein" (which then tends to fade over time too, but lasts a lot longer than a few days). And yes, while your body learns to fight off that foreign material, you may feel like sh-t for a while. That's normal, and it's your natural response to your cells spending resources on learning how to deal with the new threat.

And of the vaccines, the mRNA ones are the most modern, and the most targeted - exactly because they do not need to have any of the other genetic material that you traditionally have in a vaccine (ie no need for basically the whole - if weakened - bacterial or virus genetic material). So the mRNA vaccines actually have less of that foreign material in them than traditional vaccines do. And a lot less than the very real and actual COVID-19 virus that is spreading in your neighborhood.

Honestly, anybody who has told you differently, and who has told you that it changes your genetic material, is simply uneducated. You need to stop believing the anti-vax lies, and you need to start protecting your family and the people around you. Get vaccinated.

I think you are in Germany, and COVID-19 numbers are going down. It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine - about half having gotten their first dose around you, and about a quarter being fully vaccinated. If you and your family are more protected these days, it's because of all those other people who made the right choice, but it's worth noting that as you see the disease numbers go down in your neighborhood, those diminishing numbers are going to predominantly be about people like you and your family.

So don't feel all warm and fuzzy about the fact that covid cases have dropped a lot around you. Yes, all those vaccinated people around you will protect you too, but if there is another wave, possibly due to a more transmissible version - you and your family will be at _much_ higher risk than those vaccinated people because of your ignorance and mis-information.

Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies.

I know a lot of people who will never take part in this generic human experiment that basically creates a new humanoid race (people who generate and exhaust the toxic spike proteine, whose gene sequence doesn't look quote natural). I'm one of them, as my whole family.

Sue them! Go to the press! Make lots of noise!

If someone has a bad reaction and dies from the experimental vaccine, I hope they sue the company for pressuring employees into getting it.

Every time Todd sends an e-mail, I become even less motivated.

Such a penalty to all those who have gotten vaccinated and a reward to those who have not. Bnym is good at creating animosity within its staff.

At BNY Mellon, Big Brother is watching you.

Papers please? What a terrible discriminatory company.

Yeah our CEO can go to he-l