I'm wondering what's the main reason why so many people are leaving or looking to leave Honeywell right now. For those who are in that group, do you mind sharing the main reason? Is it the lack of job security? The lack of proper pay raises? Lousy benefits? Something more personal, like a cr---y manager?
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I was only at HW for a couple of years out of my 35+ year career, but I experienced more abuse in that short timeframe than in all my other working years. All the dirty tricks that you read about companies pulling on their employees...other companies brought them on gradually and with restraint, whereas HW was a p!g-f--k literally from Day 1.
I don't use the "a" word lightly, but with sincere reflection I 've realized that the pervasiveness and severity of neglect, aggression, bait-and-switch, disregard for employee development and well-being, demands of 24/7 availability, filthy facilities, toxic fear-based culture, and inability to get more than 3 days a year of my unlimited vacation approved amounted to abuse in comparison to how I was treated during the rest of my career.
So I am left with a sense of "me too", as ambivalent as I am about the "me too" movement in general. There is absolutely nothing I could have done to succeed there and I realize that it is nothing to be ashamed of under the circumstances.
This was not a manufacturing position, so others' experiences may be different.
I have a new job now for a thriving, growing organization that values my experience. The camaraderie is amazing, based on positivity and respect rather than commiseration. Making considerably more, encouraged to take weekends off, and feeling like I made a jailbreak.
Hidden agendas and cool aid drinking Director drove my retirement.
Taking my pension and my experience to Rockwell to make the same product I was making for Honeywell. Refreshing to feel valued.
The beatings will continue until morale improves. The constant message that even as a top performer I’m not doing enough, the constant change in messaging from day to day on objectives and goals. Leaders that are clueless, customer service who can’t answer a question, and reports us for using them too much. Can’t ever ship items on time, inventory is non existent, communication doesn’t happen unless someone begs for information.
Being told that teams are being “manicial and myopic” (excuse my spelling), but i guarantee that the person using the terms doesn’t know what they mean.
You can’t speak up, because then you are the next target.
Unattainable targets, sip plans that are designed to save the company from paying commission. No way to verify what you are being paid for.
- No chance of getting out of the 5 block or a promotion unless you are a serious brown-noser.
- Having a site director who suffers from stage-5 Napoleon's complex that rolls down to the other managers.
- Realizing that Dairya$$ and his minions would sell their own birthing persons (mothers) in order to make a buck.
- The Woke hypocrisy displayed on HW Digital Workplace.
It's a multitude of things, but most relate to low salaries and limited career advancement. Unless you are a consistent block 1 performer (which is impossible) merit raises are limited to 2-3% each year. Promotional raises are limited to 10% (11 on rare occasions). Unless you are able to crack director level the number of promotions available is fixed, so those two issues drive significant wage compression for folks who stick around for a long period of time. A further issue is that in this day and age promotional opportunities are driven by the need/desire to improve diversity numbers. One need only look at the typical applicants getting promotions in the age of COVID to know this is true.
@2bdo+1bgrrhv0 If you really want to fight it then document in your goal results the roadblocks placed in your way. Be specific and cite requests and denials by dates. Keep whatever you need to document this. Mention that you have the data to back all of it up and can provide it on request. Do this before your review and before you are placed on a PIP.
If you're still given a bad review and that item is one that's you're being penalized for then reiterate your defense and offer to provide the data to managers up the chain and to HR.
They will hate you even more if you do all of this and it probably won't help anyway if they really have it out for you, but it's all you can do.
Having HPD goals, and everything lined up to achieve those goals but they won't release the funds to pay the necessary 3rd party to put it into action. And won't give me a qualified specialist's time to set up things that only they have the know-how and system permissions to accomplish.
How is that MY failure???? But you know at the end of the day it will be.
Burn out. Caused by constantly being asked to do other peoples jobs from lack of people and training, and blind sided with must do's. I am older and am realizing I don't have the energy or patients I had 10 years ago, or even 3 years ago. I am able and ready to retire.
The export violation to China is the main reason. And because HON also gets over 300 million dollars each year in corporate welfare from American taxpayers while at the same time working to eliminate their American workforce. What a great stain on my resume.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-department-of-state-concludes-13-million-settlement-of-alleged-export-violations-by-honeywell-international-inc/
Warned by my manager today in one on one that "meeting standard" is not enough to avoid improvement plan? So there it is. Will try to have a new job in works by whenever midyear review is held. Constantly moving metrics and this unspoken belief that we should be grateful.
I am sure manager meant well to warn me. Maybe i am grateful.
Reasons are obvious when interviewing with other companies, all previous comments noted, makes you realize “Why didn’t I do this earlier?”
I heard from people that left, they were contacted by company recruiters days before they put in their 2 week notice, tragically comical, too little too late
Say/ Do
There's one version for us and a different version for the big boys.
FWIW I am not leaving. Apprx. 35 years in, trying for another 7 years(if I can stand it that long). Made it work for me/family all this time. Created my own Work/Life balance by always figuring out how to get 45 hours of work done in 30 hours and working at my own speed. (Hey they always told me to work smarter not harder so I do-LOL). That being said, if I were to want to leave it would be because of the tidal wave of ignorance that prevails due to the constant turnover and outsourcing of key positions. Tired of having to "Train" every person that sends me an email or needs something done. Don't get me wrong. I love to help people. But seriously they are literally throwing new people into positions with little or no training and mentoring. I don't have the bandwidth to train everyone that needs something done on what the standard work is, or who they "should" be contacting.
There are few managers in honeywell today.
Handholders and attendance takers seem to be what i encounter.
Recognize them by the bold way they maintain the status quo and make excuses that sound like they were told to do x-x or it is just a metric.
So no it is not my good natured and feckless "manager".
It is the culture, the structure, and the lack of even marginaly interesting work.
For many years I either WFH or traveled for work.
Went to the office 2 or 3 Friday afternoons per month.
Travel was cut way back and WFH almost eliminated.
Bottom line, I retired because of having to commute.
Just finishing my cyber cissp cert and expert to parlay that for a better job soon.
No chance I will take a job inside Honeywell. Just cannot trust that the work will still be there in a year.
Pay and just overall working conditions.
Targeting a company nearby that does simulators. Really like the idea of a nicer place to work.
I plan to leave in next few months because of pay. No line of sight to matching the cost of living increases I am seeing.
no viable career path inside Honeywell (engineer , upper band 3).
Pay. 30% bump pushed me out the door.
Rigid rhetoric about teams and office work while driving work overseas ki---d my loyalty.
It about what leaders actions say not their words.
Why did I leave?
*Leadership tolerance of unethical/borderline unethical business practices.
*Arrogance at the top and in other key managerial positions.
*Unattainable business goals.
*No concern by leadership about losing talented employees, including WFH individuals.
*Treating "valuable" employees like children or worse with behavior that included yelling, screaming, threatening, and other inappropriate actions.
*Leadership that didn't trust employees, nor value their input.
*Promotion of "yes" men and women who lacked expertise in their new roles.
*No workable long term strategic plan.
*Goals that pitted business group against business group rather than enabling them to work together for solutions.
*Reduced investment in future platforms.
*Cost costing as "the" key priority.
*Customer satisfaction was lip service only; it was about not being at the bottom of key customer service surveys.
*Reduction of benefits.
*No career path unless you were a "favored child."
*"Busy work" and continual PowerPoints that were non-value added.
*No work/life balance.
*Continual furloughs and no job security.
*No tolerance for failure, which meant no tolerance for risk taking and experimentation.
In short, an incredibly dysfunctional organization that worsened considerably in the past 5 to 6 years.
That enough?
Great points are already mentioned. I agree with every point. My reason was a better opportunity (outside).
Have management read all the articles here (Darius, MM, CEO, CDO, etc). It is very very busy compared to say, Raytheon. It is a good, realistic representation of what's going on. Not that top management doesn't know about it.
Promotions and hiring based on skin color and gender in the US, so why stay behind?
Most doctrine says it is the manager that matters.
Honeywell has made that irrelevant by destroying the managers ability to make any independent decision. I dont know ANYONE who trusts honeywell.
Heck, i dont know anyone who would admit working at honeywell.
Now my boss ,who works in bangalore ,is telling me how important it is to go to my office...where i will speak to no one all day long. Lunch is the worst part of my day.. lonely.
This place is a cliche.
Why am I looking to leave? Lots of recruiters contacting me offering compensation and benefits packages almost 40% higher than what I make at HON
Yet, here you are. Hmmm.....
Why am I looking to leave? Lots of recruiters contacting me offering compensation and benefits packages almost 40% higher than what I make at HON. I'm in the U.S. and I estimate my time at HON will be cut short because they are actively reducing American employees through whatever means necessary. Layoffs, PIPs, firings, restructurings, whatever. It's not some secret. We all know what the end goal is.
You are punished (often with layoff) if you speak up to stop/report a million dollar mistake.
There is no pay for performance.
What is in pratice is actually raises for performance. I should not be giving 10% raises to people making 50% more than their peers already. This has compounded into horrible wage disparities.
Unpublished mandatory unpaid overtime requirements. (The military should be auditing this.)
Violation of company policies:
- rejecting someones vacation because we are directed to give vacation preference to older employees.
- mandatory PIP targets that strip people of merit even though they were a productive employee that met their goals.
Horrible education reimbursement. Not even close to the aerospace industry standard.
No meaningful benifits. The company expects us to work late every day but doesn't offer healthy dinner options, dry cleaning services, free 24/7 on site gym, etc. If you want the same commitment of a Google employee, then step up and have the same office perks.
Finally, leadership who doesn't understand the business they are in. Stuck in 1980 mindsets about how to make a company profitable.
Why do you want to know HR Troll? Nothing will change, you’ll make sure of it. Must be one of your tasks from the recent survey.
Yeah, no thanks
Work life balance is a total joke. When I managed to reduce my workday to 9 hours per day it felt like a huge relief. That’s insane for many reasons.
Then there is pay and raises not being competitive as everyone already covered in detail. I fully agree.
I am looking for another job before this job puts me in the looney bin.
It's just a job there. Family, health, and integrity are important, just not to them.
Toxic culture that takes shortcuts to cut headcount with the "writing on the wall" this role will be outsourced to China, India, Mexico, Romania. Minimal hires in US with H1B visas sponsored for roles that could easily be done in country.
The pay is below industry average. Raises are mediocre in a record profit year. The benefits are an insult, including 401k. Waiting at least 13 months for a match is nonsense. No real career path unless you're a good ol' boy or a golden child. Never enough money, time, or personnel to even come close to the lofty, crack pipe dream goals and metrics. When you go beyond, no recognition and no rewards except sometimes being told by Madd Dog how swell you are. And then there is the management problem: arrogant, presumptuous, clueless, tone-deaf, greedy, foolish, and insincere. They think fear and intimidation are the tools for success. They think that us worker bees can't figure them out. The Jack Welsh disciples that have been and continue to run the place will auger it into the ground. I'll play along for now until I have a better opportunity.
No future long term -- it will all go offshore. Best get out now while the skills are still marketable -- too many years in a bloated dinosaur and the skillset will be atrophied.
I am on a PIP and at some point I will be pushed out the door. That has me looking for a new place to work.
I'm one of the few here who actually likes their job, have a good manager and fantastic work / life balance.... at least while working from home. That said, I have been in the same position for 5 years, merit increases do not match inflation and potential promotions have gone to external hires. It's been great experience, but once WFH ends, it will not be worth the one hour drive each way.
How about gratuitous cruelty?
Time to run away from home.
Couldn't do it as a kid but I can damn sure do it as an adult.
This place is dysfunctional. You don't need me to tell you that.
PS: I left years ago.
Culture
- Manager and above are absolutely rubbish who only prides for credits and little knowledge on what the credit is for.
- Job security. This is definitely not a place to envision your retirement. With little benefits left, employees are no better off compared to contractors.