Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

Anyone knows if the PIL option still applies to Singapore this year? Heard some rumours of management trying to take it away.

@1ozj+1bv1Flau no it is retire or PIL. You would forgo your retirement benefits

"The campus is starting to look like a retirement home"

I've never wished that pictures could be embedded in this site more than now!

Pip'ing of less than 5 year employees just to boost stats of PIP pass rate. Yawn. This is just to show in lawsuits that the pass rate is high. As an added benefit, those taking the PIL are not regretted losses.

Laid off in 2020. It took me a month or two of personal time to deal with the stress and find motivation again.

The job search process takes months with the pace that companies move. Consider starting the process during PIL period. At the very least, interviewing practice.

Companies will notice any gap on the resume, but as long as you can explain. It is normal during this time, but during a low unemployment market would be suspicious.

@1puu+1bv1Flau, I agree with @1vyb+1bv1Flau. Gaps in your resume are not that big a deal. I have one and still found a job. And the idea that taking the PIP will leave you without a gap in your resume is probably a false assumption. Regardless of any propaganda you’ve heard the odds are not in your favor. You will spend three months busting your bu-t and will still be shown the door and with all the PIP work you probably won’t have had the time to work on your resume and apply for other jobs. The argument can be made the taking the PIP will put you at a major disadvantage. But in the long term you’ve really only bought yourself another year and the second time you land on the PIP list there is no PIP or PIL…just fired.

But go ahead and ask to see the PIP. If it has readily achievable work items, then it might be worth it to try to last another year that will give you the time to leave on your own terms during that time. If it has work items that are vague and seem unachievable, then you have you answer about your chances of passing.

Get out of there! Find your next opportunity and leave this company behind. It is not worth your time and effort. And it definitely is not worth the stress that it will put you through over the next few years.

Good luck!

@1kc

Yes

For NRE, are age and years of service based on end of year (December 31, 2021)?

I am looking forward to doing some fishing and searching for a new gig from the sanity of my own boat. Bring it on.

If I’m retirement eligible at the end of August, can I still take the PIL?

The campus is starting to look like a retirement home

@1puu+1bv1Flau

One is still on the payroll for three months and legally an employee. Pension benefits (lumpsum) were calculated last year including those three months. Resumes can include those three months. Gaps in resumes aren’t such a big deal. People take time off ans layoffs are a part of life. People have found employment with six months gap.

Good luck!

Retirement eligibles.
Rate still pretty good - take the lump sum. All of you.
The stress of the past year or so shortened your lifespan.
Sliding down a muddy pit to pick out bits of gold has taken its toll.
You may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with you.
Maybe the actuaries haven't caught on to that (or it has been suppressed).

If all Retirement eligibles - PiPd or no - just scoot with the lump sum.
Also consider changing your investments in 401K - general match account - out of the former Dow member. Then get it all into an external IRA, quickly.

Think how this can benefit the company, if we all work together to stop working.

Took the PIL last year and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. My new company is soooooo different culture wise and I’m so much happier. I’m glad I was able to take the money and run. I suggest you do the same.

@1ewh+1bv1Flau - It’s a tough call because employment gaps look terrible on a resume. PIL is good if you’re confident your full time job search can lead your somewhere faster.

You’re technically not employed during PIL period, so you can’t lie because the background check will catch it.

I've heard the outplacement service contracted in 2020 was a logo-owning resume brusher-upper and little more than that. But covers a base.

Maybe somebody added earlier, but PiL (immediate out with 3 mo of this and that) also involves signing a waiver form freeing company from any litigation by the individual (at least in Texas).
They don't even ask it to be notarized.
Sloppy doings, but thought that should be mentioned.

I actually want to be PIPED. I used to work long hours, produce good reports, and now, I find myself with very low energy and motivation. I need fresh, energizing, motivation. A PIP is perfect. Anyways, I'll post back if I make it to the PIP list this year (I'm trying my lazy best - we'll see).

All employees less than 5 years should pay special attention to that second bullet. It only takes being labeled NI, aka the bottom 15-20%, to get PIP'd.

Yes! Keep exposing the bad intent and bad processes that mgmt. is feeding upon. Also, be careful updating your new job info on LI or anywhere if you are on PIL and found job. The incompetent VP of HR, TG and her equally. incompetent minions will def. looking on LI to save pennies so they can earn bonuse, along with those fake managers that have lately been posting how awesome it is to work for XOM where people are considered biggest and important assets.

If TG is truely a human and not a d-mb robot she better resign her incompetent a-s of that HR VP chair.

Do yourself a favor and take the PIL, unless your supervisor has told you specifically that they think you can pass and have encouraged you to take the PIP. Even then, you may still be better off taking the PIL.

If you take the PIL you can make hunting for your next opportunity your full time job. If you take the PIP, you’ll just be put through he-l for three months. Seems like an easy choice to me.

Don’t fear the PIP and don’t fear leaving the company. There are great opportunities out there that can offer more happiness, better culture, a better location, and potentially even better pay.

You the MVP 🐐

@cre+1bv1Flau - XOM can’t tell unless you post it on LinkedIn or a former colleague knows about and rats on you. Also, don’t let the outplacement (Right Management) company know that you landed a job.
In summary, keep it low key that you found a new job and XOM won’t know.

I thought all low performers were PIPed last year? Or is Xom so toxic that it keeps mutating good employees into underperformers???

@cre+1bv1Flau…speculating here, but I’m not sure if they can KNOW for sure unless you tell them or maybe update LinkedIn with new job info, so I’d be careful about sharing too much online until after the PIL. Also thinking the outplacement service may report back to the company if they help you find a job.

Supervisor told me today I’m the PIP list.

If I take PIL, how will they know whether I find knew employment? Am I required to tell them when I find a new job? I still haven’t seen paperwork.

seems id--tic to take the PIL unless you have something lined up. Take the PIP and look for work. That's what I'll be doing if they PIP my a-s.
Remember, there is no such thing as forced ranking.

Thank you sir for the information.