Unfortunately and very unexpectedly got NSI’d on Friday. Supervisor seems very indifferent and hasn’t encouraged me at all to take the PIP. Probably going to take the PIL but interested to hear other peoples experience, feedback, advice, etc.
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Sure, people get thrown into NSI because they didn’t do their A-game. The only A-game in EM town is to be sponsored.
Stop pretending that supervisors and managers get PIPed. Those people have nice fat supplemental pensions which are discretionary, so if the company wants to force them to retire they will retire or else loose $1M++. This is exactly how everybody in lower management who were RE were forced to retire involuntary in the “voluntary” part of the 2021 layoffs.
If you don’t know what the supplementary pension is you’d better find out, but given the lies you propagate I’m sure you have one.
Any 2022 people getting a PIL offer? What happens if you are on a temporary part time arrangement? Is the PIL based on your full time wages??
@2kd, in EMIT, there have been cases of managers and supervisors being PIP'd. I see these happening when they post in Linkedin. Some managers who survived the process for decades eventually reach their age when they are forced to retire. Nobody is safe at XOM, everybody must bring their A-game all the time, or else. (Don't we hear this all the time from our managers?)
I truly don’t believe that managers are subject to PIP. That or they get PIPd and pass There are so many sh-t managers that do nothing.
I was upper bottom third or lower middle third (not sure which) early in my career through some bad luck. I run into people who are now my peers, but probably saw my ranking in those early years. They still see me as a low performer, and there it probably nothing I can do to disconnect their view of me with comments they heard in ranking discussions 5-10 years ago.
The sad ‘human’ part of this is that people have a hard time forgetting. That is separate from ExxonMobil’s systems, but unfortunately people at ExxonMobil have extra-long memories. Why would you want the stigma of being remembered PIP if you could start with a fresh slate (and maybe be a rockstar) somewhere else?
Just remember that your ranking is not reflective of your value.
My advice is to leave and not look back. I truly feel sorry for people still subjecting themselves to yearly PADPs and ranking. If it's not clear that you're in the HiPo club then take your money and go down the road. XOM is not a place for people who keep their head down and work hard. It's like a big frat house at the management tier with people who dress and act the same, but are generally useless anywhere else. Unless you can see yourself emulating those people and riding it out over the next few decades then why would you stay? It can't be about money, because there are plenty of places that will pay you equally as well. All the stress you're feeling now is going to be there year after year as you go through the same assessment cycle. ExxonMobil is not changing who they are so you can either conform to what they want to see or go somewhere that fits who you are.
Below is my friend’s experience at Imperial who was placed on a PIP back in Sep 2020.
- PIP included very simple tasks that he needed to do, including having a weekly meeting with another group.
- weekly meeting with his supervisor without much to say. He said it usually took 5min
- completed all the PIP task in two weeks.
Result: Laid off in Dec 2020
There’s a lot of good advice here already so I’ll just echo what someone else said. Find an organization that doesn’t do stacked ranking. Receiving feedback for the actual work you do is a breathe of fresh air
At EM you’re ranked for every aspect besides that… doing your work, whether it’s done well or not, is a given and doesn’t even matter
My supervisor created a PIP full of subjective criteria and subsequently used what he called a failure to meet one as a reason for termination, but only AFTER doing 2 1/2 months of what can best be described as punishwork while also having to do my full time job. All the while telling me weekly that things “look good” and “I expect you to pass”. Now one must filter this with he’s a known habitual liar and overall complete POS, but still, I regret playing his little game. It was nothing but a power trip for him.
My advice if you opt for trying to pass the PIP is to not only document everything, copying HR (no matter how worthless they are) but also record all conversations. Good evidence should you decide to pursue legal action later.
Your manager is following a training script from H/R regarding his or her indifference and lack of encouragement to take the PIP. Suggest you follow your own path on PIL vs. PIP. If you take the PIL, you will leave immediately with 3 months severance. If you take the PIP, you may leave 3 months later. Either way you get paid.
Taking the PIP means you have some chance of staying employed at your location albeit with "no raise" at least for the next 12-18 months and a high probability of being laid off at some future date since you are in the lowest rank group.
Your supervisor wouldn’t encourage you because it is not about performance. He/she needs to cut numbers. That’s all this was about. Exxon is very dirty for doing what they have been doing to their people. Never would I have expected it from ExxonMobil but it’s not the same company. Woods is a terrible CEO and everything is crumbling down under him while he keeps lining his pockets.
Passing PIP mainly depends on your supv, manager, and HR. Your supv and other contributors will create your PIP list and HR will make sure that it's not a walk in the park. Your supv is probably indifferent because it will demand him/her a lot of time on top of his/her regular work. And the weekly reporting is another thing. You miss even a single requirement and you're done, anytime during the 3 months. If they decide to fail you within this 3 months, PIL won't default and that means you're actually fired. If your supv encourages you take the PIP, there's likelihood you will pass. However, note that with last years PIP passers, many of them got laid off a few months after passing.
One of the biggest challenge of going through PIP is the mental scar that you will get. That will be haunt you for the rest of your XOM career and every group that you rotate to, managers and supv will acknowledge that.
If you are still young and got PIP'd, I would suggest taking the PIL instead. Because when the time comes that you approach your late 40's and you're expensive by then, you could end up in the real bad chopping block. So think about your future with EM, the unnecessary stress, and your happiness. Good luck.
Suggest you consider going to a company that does not do ranking like EM. I’m in a new company now with no ranking, you are assessed on what you actually do.
Not much detail here and it is an individual perspective that is needed.
Take the PiL as suggested below.
PIP Mega-thread - we'll see.
I would like to see a cut and paste of the Complete PiL Waiver Document for 2021.
If anyone would care to share it - please post here.
(PDFs allow cut - then paste it here).
Thanks ahead.
One more thing - don't sign any PiL until the last hours of the deadline.
In the meantime, wouldn't hurt to say your lawyer demands to see your PIP Plan before you sign anything.
Make it burn as much as you can.
There are other little things you can do in this regard, but mention of lawyers is always a plus.
@qyg - you will continue to contribute to the 401K each month, if you take the PIL. (In fact, you might want to max out your pre-tax 401K contributions for the year).
Your PIL also counts towards your pensionable service (if you been with the company long enough). It’s only your PIL for unused vacation that doesn’t count towards the 401K.
Honestly, I would strongly advise against the PIP. The odds are stacked against you passing it (you might not even see the plan until AFTER you sign). Even if you pass, it will be on your permanent record (affecting promotion and assignment opportunities). Plus, can you live with the fact that the company (through your management) either thinks: (1) you’re a poor performer; or (2) knows that you’re a good performer, but lied and tried to remove you under the guise of being a poor performer ?
From my understanding you’re still considered “employed” by XOM until the end of the 3 months payroll - so with that the PIL seems attractive since you still “work” for XOM and have all day free to find a job instead of grinding a subjective PIP and destroying your mental health
Sorry to hear about this happening to you unexpectedly and thank you for sharing yet another example of company not being truthful about them not considering and caring about their claimed most important "a-s"ets, the people. Stopping this incompetent mgmt. is no where in sight and the performance assessment system is designed to empower mgmt. to weed out those "they" dont like or not "fitting" their agenda while pampering those that can be their puppets.
I will also go to length in saying that people (worker bees) as well are spineless, including me that do not have spine to call "wrong" wrong because we are afraid of losing perceived benefits. I do not trust any people around me or within the company from now on, including those that I thought i could trust and felt having a friendship with. Everyone is for themselves, including myself, unfortunately. I will do what I can until I can or am allowed to working in this toxic environment and I am doing it for my family. I am tired of this musical chairs. And NO, I will not hear any bu-----t from motherfuckers or bloodsucking mgmt. pimps.
A guy I know from my old group got NSI’ed, in my opinion for no good reason other than the supervisor is a massive POS. He’s a good dude and very capable, I told him he needs to move to another group or get out from EM entirely.
Samething happened to me on Thursday. Still weighing the pros and cons of each option. PIL pluses are: I don't have to deal with XOM anymore. Don't have to listen to Yammer, Liam's boring e-speeches, deal the inconsistencies and out lies from the you-know-whos. Oh and the last great thing, no more 60 mile round trip commutes (they took away my WFH option).
PIP pluses: I can do what I can to the best of my ability while I look for other prospects. Under the PIP, I can hang on as long as possible until a better opportunity presents itself. Build up more money in the 401k (not really counting on the match coming through). Paydown the outstanding debts and get my financial life in order because we all know a new job is going to include a paycut. (Ouch, that will hurt).
By now you should have seen all the circus and all hoo haah posted how great the company is all over social media. You must have also seen your fellow colleagues, supervisors, and managers around you who claim you (people) are best asset for the company wont stand with you nor offer you any help. So why would you want to stay in this toxicity. Just leave peacefully and find something worth the happiness outside this toxicity. I totally understand feeling betrayed of the whole thing about having a career sold to all of us but not worth it man. Treat my colleagues as just fellow workers and no longer see them as friends. Not their fault, everyone looking for self and so am I without putting up with any bu-----t!