Coming from someone who is truly allergic to vaccines and having a hard time with a medical exemption.
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Yes, it seems natural immunity offers slightly better and long-lasting protection. That is a recent discovery, previous studies in the past showed the opposite. Most places allow recovered patients to get a Covid certificate if they have had the disease.
the vaccine isnt doing what they promised
Oh, stop being a petulant child. Biology is hard. There was a widely held expectation/hope that the vaccine would prevent reinfection - it does not. It wasn’t a promise and nobody was lying. The goal of the vaccine was to lower the severity of the outcome once you catch it. In that case, the vaccines (with a couple of exceptions - cough China) have been wildly successful.
For those over say 80, catching Covid only one year ago was just about a certain death sentence and now it’s an inconvenience for most.
The Israelis, who you quoted, have also discovered in the very latest study that some of the effectiveness starts to wear off after a few months, so a booster would be a good idea for the more vulnerable. No broken promises. No lies. Just biology.
For moat of us who don’t want the vaccine it’s about the government taking away my freedom of choice. It’s tyranny, it’s the left forcing controls to turn us into a socialistic society. The left control the media and all you read is what they allow to be seen. When social media companies censor people people and companies it’s gone too far.
A woman lost her mother and brother to covid and they were BOTH vaccinated and you want to blame the non vaxers. What you don’t hear are these stories because they are censored. I hold no prejudices if you want to get pricked or pr--k your children it’s your choice but don’t whine that my no vax is requiring you to wear a mask. Kids in school will still have to wear a mask when vaccinated… why because the vaccine isnt doing what they promised. If they would tell the truth since the beginning like we just don’t know but we’re trying maybe we’d have a little more trust and respect. Now you have folks in the “science field” quitting because they didn’t believe the 3rd shot was required but it was shoved down our throats again. Here is an article referring to the Israeli study showing natural immunity is
Better. I believe I read your far left Zukenberg funded the study anticipating and trying to prove the opposite but it backfired.
Surprised it hasn’t been suppressed yet. Don’t blaming the non vaccinated. Our natural immunities SHOULD be counted towards NERD community.
https://nworeport.me/2021/09/01/israeli-case-study-shows-natural-immunity-27x-more-effective-than-vax/
Well, in the US, everybody’s badge is going to be invalidated next week. And you’ll only get it reenabled if you can meet the criteria, which includes vaccination.
I saw Dr. Christina Parks give some compelling information.
First, I'm vaccinated. I believe in the vaccine's effectiveness and everyone who's doctor advises them to get it should.
However, this is an obviously an exercise of a totalitarian. First, it's acknowledged that the executive branch does not have the power to compel vaccination. Then, acknowledgement be damned, the dictate goes out months later.
In a similar way, an eviction moratorium is acknowledged to be beyond the power of the executive branch. Then, acknowledgement be damned, the dictate goes out months later.
When this criticism is brought to the radical left, they blush sheepishly while declaring that you always have the right to give up everything you own and live on the streets as an alternative. Progressives, may your sh-t come to life and kiss you in the face.
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I'm NOT trusting any news from a government censored country like China. I'll grant that the NIH.gov article is more trustworthy, but it doesn't say anything other than an 8 month "immunity" from recovering from COVID-19.
So, what you're saying is, that people should not get vaccinated and catch COVID-19 and risk hospitalization and/or death to get a slightly longer lasting "immunity" instead of getting vaccinated, and greatly reducing the risk of infection, hospitalization and death. If you catch COVID-19 after being vaccinated, your case will be much milder and then you have the added boost of a natural, longer "immunity" without the risk of dying to get it.
Whatever, man. We've required vaccinations to attend school, join the military, etc. for decades and only a few percentage of people make a stink about it. I find it hypocritical that conservatives are so against the vaccination when their demigod Trump claims all the credit for the creation of the vaccination. If he's so great and wonderful, and he has all the credit for creating it, why aren't you guys the first in line to get it instead of fighting it?
If everyone would just go get the vaccination, there wouldn't need to be a mandate regarding it for employment. I wanted my kids to be safe as infants and toddlers and have my kids vaccinated for every vaccination at the recommended ages. I've even had to get my HEP-B vaccination again because I wasn't showing any antibodies or whatever during my last lab work. I get my tetanus shot every 10 yrs. I get a prevnar 13 / pneumovax 23 vaccination every 5 yrs due to a medical condition. Most people get it around age 60 and maybe one booster, but I've had it 6 times already. I've also had my Shingles vaccination. Shingles doesn't ki-l, but I still got my shot. And Shingles isn't contagious to others, although if they haven't had Chickenpox or been vaccinated against Chickenpox, they might could catch that from me IF I had Shingles. I say all that to say that vaccinations aren't 100% effective and don't last forever, but people get them all the time. I find it funny how the flu shot is just a guessing game as to which strain will be the most prevalent from year to year because there is so many strains because we didn't have a vaccination early enough to prevent the many mutations of it.
Let's beat COVID-19 by getting everyone vaccinated so that it stops spreading and mutating. I want to enjoy going out in public without a mask when it's not allergy or flu season, but I can't because there's too many damn people infected with COVID-19 right now.
"Where's your proof/study/science that shows natural immunity is better than the vaccination?"
That study, about 700 people in Kentucky back in May... with some sketchy controls. Notice the CDC says "ONE" study shows. Not 2 or 10, one.
Try these
Jan 2021, Longer immunitity after infection, but "hopeful" the same will be seen with vaccinations, which we now know isn't the case. Hence the booster after 8 months
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
Aug 2021
"People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a Delta infection than those who recovered"
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3146656/past-covid-19-reduces-risk-reinfection-delta-variant-pfizer
@2wcc+1cSmkg8G
Actually, you're the one ignoring Science.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
See "If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine? "
There's a link to a published study showing that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.
Where's your proof/study/science that shows natural immunity is better than the vaccination?
I cannot speak for your failed state, but most vaccination confirmation processes (certainly around Europe) allow one of three conditions:
- proof of vaccination
- proof of having recovered from COVID
- Negative PCR test (limited duration)
"Most jurisdictions will treat recovery from COVID in the same manner as a vaccination. "
When does that start, because it's the complete opposite of that right now?
Cisco in California is not like Cisco in other areas. We don’t support their liberal bs..
Most jurisdictions will treat recovery from COVID in the same manner as a vaccination.
"things may change where Cisco requires vaccinations even if your are a remote worker in the US. " because that makes a lot of sense...
Also, still ignoring the science of people that already recovered from COVID, but requiring them to get a 'vaccine' that doesn't protect as well as natural immunity.
It's mo--nic.
You’ll be remote all right.
You won’t be able to get on an international flight without a vaccination, you won’t be able to enter most countries without it, and you won’t be able to sit in a restaurant or bar without one.
You might be able to have a PCR test every 72 hours to comply, but that’s going to get damned expensive. Even if you have an exemption, try using it outside your state or country.
Mind you, with the new travel budgets, your chance of having a business trip is going to be about zero anyway.
@1cfx+1cSmkg8G is right, but Cisco is allowing exemptions.
Once OSHA releases new regulations based on Biden's executive order for companies with more than 100 employees require vaccinations, things may change where Cisco requires vaccinations even if your are a remote worker in the US.
I think Cisco is requiring proof for medical exemptions, so if you have a history of allergic reactions, you can complete a HIPAA release form and have your doctor(s) give Cisco proof that you have a medical exemption.
Cisco is allowing religious exemptions as well, but I don't know what form of verification or proof they require other than they aren't just letting you say you have a religious exemption. There has to be some sort of proof that it is a sincerely held belief.
The problem is, is that at some point you will need to go into the office once and you'll be required to be vaccinated. Given that it takes 5-6 weeks to be fully vaccinated (2 weeks after the second shot which is 3-4 weeks after the first shot), it's hard to plan that far in advance. I can easily see Cisco terminating someone who is a remote worker who isn't vaccinated because they don't normally go into the office, but suddenly a manager, director, or SVP comes to one of the major sites and wants to have an on-site meeting and you can't attend. They say they'll try to make exceptions to allow people to not come into the office and attend virtually, but if they want a reason to terminate you, they now have an easy one.
Cisco is not forcing employees to get COVID vaccinated, however they are tightening the screws by mandating that you prove you are fully vaccinated in order to enter a Cisco Building, Meet with customers in person, or meet with partners in person, or travel for Cisco. So if your remote work position does not require these things then you could likely get away without being vaccinated (for now anyway)