People who have retired years ago are refusing to accept how bad things have become since they left. My uncle is one of them. He retired roughly eight years ago and he still thinks HON is the best company there is. When I try to explain why I'm trying to leave, I get this whole tirade of how ungrateful I am, how spoiled I must be, how I just can't take the hard work and that's not on the company... I try to explain to him that it's not the same place as it was during his three plus decades here, but he simply won't hear it. It's annoying as he-l.
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Sounds like there's no reasoning with you. How's the pu--y that you traded for your ba--s.
@2oxo+1ccTXbpe: We can all thank GE spawned rock-em sock-em CEO's for what happened. First to Allied Signal, then to the original Honeywell. I hope Jack Welch is now in a very warm place -- he started all this horsebleep mistreatment of employees.
And you worry about what your uncle thinks, and discuss it with him because...uh, Why?
What's your mom think about all of this?
Older gen will not get it. Back then if you worked hard and smart, worst case, you got to stay with the company. HON did not have a large off shore workforce and was not looking to reduce US census. There was no 'burn and turn' model, where employee is burned off within 3 years and riffed. We did not have 100 non-US employees applying for every US listed job. Hiring was not done to satisfy tax-breaks. Back then most employees stayed with the company for 20+ years.
A first-tier Avionics company (legacy Honeywell) was acquired by a second-tier Engine company (AlliedSignal) and the result was a third-tier everything. Corporate math at its finest.
My Honeywell saying is:
"With Honeywell, it always gets worse before it gets worse."
You can quote me on that. :)
I retired 4 1/2 years ago and your uncle is delusional. I spent 32 years at Garret/Airesearch/Allied Signal/Honeywell and with each change it got worse and worse. Especially after Allied Signal took over. At the end Honeywell didn't want more people to leave but offered no incentive to stay. Those that did stay just git more responsibility and work but little if any compensation for it.
Things really began going downhill quickly in 2009, so if your uncle left 8 years ago, he's in denial.
I'd just explain that it's Honeywell in name only. In 1999 Allied Signal bought Honeywell. Only 3 legacy Honeywell senior executives made the trip to New Jersey. Within a year the 3 were all gone and the company was being run exclusively by legacy Allied Signal personal. Since then the stock is up and the work experience is down.
@ghp+1ccTXbpe Agreed. Since when do you need an uncle's permission or affirmation about where you work.
I was there almost three decades. I left nine years ago and it was terrible then. From these posts it seems that it has only gotten worse. Your uncle is weird.
OP: Another option is to simply refuse to discuss your career plans with your uncle. It's really none of his business.
Investing in HON stocks and collecting a fat pension is very different than being a Honeywell worker since 2015. It’s not any more complicated than that.
I spent nearly 50 years at Honeyhell. It is NO joke. Far worse in the last 10 years and unbearable now. Fancy slogans won't help it ie future shapers....
He probably thinks you're a whining millennial. From your whining post, I can't imagine why he feels that way.
Your uncle sounds like a smart man. Maybe you should listen to him.
Does he know how to use the internet? Print off a bunch of posts from this site for him, especially from the old timers lamenting the changes. He is oblivious to the world changing around him, so probably is not a person worth too much of your time. Sorry if that sounds cold, but through him you are being disrespected by the company yet again.