I have been looking to leave for over a year. I keep applying and hoping a better opportunity will present itself, but I've had no luck so far. The problem is finding something that is better when IBM still has areas in which it beats its competition. For example, nobody was able to match my current pay, not to mention increase it. I get an offer with better benefits and job security, but the pay is at least 30% less than what I'm getting now. I'm not that unhappy here to accept that.
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Apple just started hiring on LinkedIn for Raleigh. Expect some of the top talent in RTP to jump ship soon.
+1 everyone always just looks at income and not other things like COL, amount of work, stress, benefits, etc.
Not everybody can snag $190k at 5YOE so congrats. IBM's still likely not going anywhere as a result. Most engineers don't qualify for top pay. I'm curious what area you are in. If you were in The Bay Area and making low 100s I understand completely. But 190k in the Bay is considerably less than $140k in RTP. Most folks forget too that more money most often means more work. Amazon works my friends to the bone. Google hogs other friends lives and time 100%. If that's what you want go for it. But not everyone wants to be worked like a dog. ;)
I am paid low 100s at ibm for 5yoe, just got an offer for 190k. Same col area
Keep coasting until IBM's dead. No wonder ibm can't compete in market with that attitude.
I dunno... have 35+ YOE and don't make $140K or $172K / yr. So yeah, I feel ripped off, LOL!
That said, wouldn't want to live in RTP area, or most of the other IBM locations these days. Even San Jose is somewhere I rather not live.
Probably a big reason why I never earned the big salaries. I have definite location preferences.
Anyway, if folks with a fraction of the YOE are being paid way more than me, I think that's a good reason to grumble, LOL!
Plus… you can totally scr3w things up like the email migration and not get fired. Why would you want to leave if you’re getting paid well and have no consequences?
RTP, $172K, 14YOE. My house cost me $210K
Tell me where you’ll get better than that pay + COL + actual effort needed on job
Lawl, folks hating on the few who don't have a lot to complain about. They should make two separate sub channels on here one for grumblers and one for everyone else that just wants to have a conversation.
Btw- RTP $140k 5YOE (6 w coop)
"Most folks work just hard enough to not get fired, and so get paid just enough not to leave"
~Old Saying
Great, your lackadaisical delivery of your dislike being at IBM is your right, however, please give some empathy to that IBM employee whose world has fallen apart due to being laid off. It's not your responsibility, but be more mindful of what and how you say things.
Too late…you already made the insult!!! Your arrogance and upity attitude is so evident!!!
Here's what's going on and why you can't find anything better.
- Your skillsets are dated and you're no longer marketable.
- You're not really looking hard enough to leave.
- You're in a flooded market and you haven't differentiated yourself.
Sometimes the medicine is bitter.
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Good luck searching for good jobs - you should find something better what you have at ibm
@pes+1ch7GvbR this is right.
Also their pmr scale is a suspect in itself example: they just include base salary and they use some random non-tech companies to determine low end of the pay.
"If, if , if. That is why thousands are leaving CA!!! Poor fire mgt, poor water management, high taxes, growing homelessness, rising crimes…the list goes on and on. I will take the midwest any day!!! "
Simple... they can't afford the good places in Ca. LOL!
Same in any town...
For example, even Memphis has a richy rich section...
What your going to find is that home prices in the good parts of any town take two professional, upper middle class incomes to float. Read that two working professional adults... this is what "market will bear" pricing and the availability of mortgages has done to home prices over the last 100 years... (We mortgaged the women's lives over to the bankers it would seem.)
OK... so CA is in many places significantly more desirable... so that bar goes up even more.
Ask folks that are leaving to be honest... and they will tell most often... not because they hate CA... but because they are priced out... can't get enough life for the money they have.
Have lived all around the country. 15 years in "The OC" alone... SoCal is the only place I ever moved back to by choice and design. However the housing price problem is beating me too... (Am in the wrong part of IBM apparently)...
Sour grapes is what many of the reasons given for leaving CA really are. (Just my experience... which is to say, I've been lucky to not have to live somewhere like LA's South Central, Oakland or other big city ghettos.)
If one's budget is more limited... sure, midwest may be a better value proposition in some ways. But if money is no object... many more richy riches are in SoCal, Hawaii, etc than the mid-west.
They are called "fly over" states for a reason.
Nothing wrong with them or the people that are there...
But the truth is... and market valuations prove out... it's not considered the most desirable place to be. That's just the facts. No insult intended.
Ibm pay structure is defined to pay below industry average. It is rare to be paid over industry average of your job role band. In fact, if you are above 80% of average (that is 20% below market), you are generally ruled out of any in band increase. So, new job will most likely pay much higher.
If, if , if. That is why thousands are leaving CA!!! Poor fire mgt, poor water management, high taxes, growing homelessness, rising crimes…the list goes on and on. I will take the midwest any day!!!
Same here. Looking at jobs + COL + effort I haven’t found something worth jumping ship to.
Whats your role and TC? I agree with other statements that the average IBMer's TC is 50% lower than market in most locations.
If you can’t find better pay jobs, you’re looking for the wrong jobs. IBM underpays by quite a bit.
"The Midwest has great values unlike the shitheads on the coasts!!!! "
But weather sucks in Midwest (at least in the north of it) and most of it smells like cows.
Ca. West Coast beats all when it comes to climate and quality of life... if you can afford the real estate prices, taxes, etc.
There's reasons why the midwest is prices less. Most folks (especially young folks) aren't dreaming of living in Dubuque, Ia. for example, for the rest of their lives.
(Not that it's a bad place, but it is freezing cold most of the year and does smell like fertilizer all the time. Read that corn farming. Not a place where someone getting an advanced tech degree is hoping to end up. West coast has it's own problems but most prefer it, the market prices confirm.)
The Midwest has great values unlike the shitheads on the coasts!!!!
Maybe your offer wasn't from a tech company or you don't work in tech at all. I would even add consulting.
All companies are beating ibm salaries by atleast 50%. I got an offer from midwest startup which was 30% higher than ibm even when ibm is in east coast much higher col area, only reason i didn't go is well it's midwest - boring and lot less tech presence.
Why don't you state your job role at ibm