Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Sleazy F'ing Cisco

My position at Cisco was eliminated in Nov of 2020 (massive LR). The specific language of the separation agreement is that "you are not giving up the rights to unemployment claims".

So I took the package, and when getting re-hired took longer than I anticipated, applied for Unemployment benefits. My claim was approved, and I consumed benefits until finding another wage comparable job in Q1 of 2021.

Now several months into a new job, I got notice from the unemployment office that my former employer (Cisco) was claiming that the loss of my job was for a reason "other than lack of work".

I was forced to disclose my separation agreement, as well as emails that I had saved from Cisco while going through the adjudication process. The thought of having to pay back over $22K in this environment was crushing (with Government threats of placing liens on my home, taxes, etc).

Fortunately yesterday, I received notice from my unemployment department that they were APPROVING my claim despite Cisco's claims to the contrary.

This got me thinking about the whole LR process (which was conducted over Webex with my Mgr reading a script with a HR rep on the call). I got the feeling that it was designed to not leave evidence of the true business reason for the layoff, and leave Cisco with the option of denying the claim of unemployment (which impacts their unemployment tax rates state by state).

My advice to any Cisco employee getting setup for the "LR Webex": (1) Request that the webex be recorded (if they won't, then say you want copies of the script, or flat up leave the meeting), (2) Ask if the LR elimination of your position is specifically related to lack of work on the call, (3) Export all of your LR related Outlook emails to a PST before departing in order to protect your claims should Cisco attempt to deny them months after you are locked away from evidence, and (4) Save all LR related documents, including screenshots of LR portals.

I was naive in trusting Cisco was looking after me, and was lucky enough to have saved enough of the documents (and emails) to prove my case. Protect yourself, because if you don't nobody will.

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Post ID: @OP+1cijMLkJ

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Yes, recording audio is illegal in many jurisdictions

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Post ID: @1nib+1cijMLkJ

Just a quick note on "recording every call, even if it's on your cell phone". Be careful of legal jeopardy... California (likely where HR will be on Webex from) is a 2 party consent state. If you do this, clearly call it out as soon as you start recording ("I am recording this call for my records, if you object to this, disconnect now."). Otherwise you can find yourself being prosecuted by the state (if everyone is in CA) or the Feds (if the action crosses state lines). Cisco has lawyers on staff... you (likely) do not.

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Post ID: @1ibs+1cijMLkJ

Always remember, HR is not your friend. They are there to protect the company and nothing more. They will never act in your best interest. Cisco has taken LRs to an art form and they know every legal trick to make sure they get the most benefit out of it, not you. Like one of the other posters mentioned... record every call, even if you have to record it on your cell phone. Screen shot everything. Save every email and document. You'll thank yourself later.

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Post ID: @1rgy+1cijMLkJ

You're lucky - when I was LR'd I was not able to collect unemployment. As a rehire who took ERP in 2020, Cisco notified WageWorks (COBRA) that I left voluntarily and not eligible for Federal Assistance for healthcare - perhaps technically correct though my friends who took ERP from other Fortune 50 companies were eligible since their companies actually care about their employees. I loved my run at Cisco (both times) tremendously because of the people I worked with but the company started to change with Chamber's hire of Gary Moore and his "fire whoever" attitude....wiping out divisions vs. keeping and reshuffling talent which Chuck continued though unlike John, Chuck doesn't really listen to the field - so many examples but one most probably know happened during the early Pandemic all-hands calls when the field scream repeatedly that little bitty Zoom's marketing was ki----g us and Chuck's responds was that we don't understand...well, remember when Webex was a verb??? He should be deeply ashamed that Zoom is now a verb (but he's not)....I know the stock is strong but I do think that eventually Wall Street will figure it out....wack-a-mole with products, pathetic marketing and less than loyal employees isn't a successful path even with subscription services. Not disgruntled at all, just disappointed.

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Post ID: @1twn+1cijMLkJ

Great advice here, thank you for sharing. Wonder if Cisco HR gets a personal bonus for each one of those successful?

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Post ID: @wja+1cijMLkJ

I’m sorry you went through that, but glad it worked out in the end.

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Post ID: @pmr+1cijMLkJ

Just awful. Good grief

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