Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

About project falcon - california employees, prepare to move or lose job.

From this weeks Trepp wire:

https://soundcloud.com/the-treppwire-podcast/94-hotel-sales-comps-retail-earnings-return-to-office-rollbacks-eviction-ban-extension#t=33:30

Looks like the bank wants new space
Near the Irving Convention center (Google map that)
They are looking for about 400,000 sq ft.

Win win for the bank.

What this means is they can:

  • * shed not only expensive real-estate in SF
  • * but more importantly shed expensive hi cost California employees who have built deep connections to community in SF and/or are unwilling or unable to move,
  • * cut corporate taxes in the process.

My guess is they want new space, but if there is existing space they would prefer that as it will more quickly help the bank eliminate costs.

Remember that it is legal to discriminate based on location - this is how they get away with offshoring. Moving corporate headquarters to Texas is a direct attack on California career employees and unfortunately likely a legal move.

The employee status is in question if they choose not to move. If employee says no, did the employee quit or did they get fired? The bank will probably offer similar position in new location or severance if the employee chooses not to go.

Those of you in California - what is the likelyhood you would move to Texas?

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Hmm... I highly doubt SF will be going away - ever! Sounds like you have something against SF. Jealous?

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Post ID: @2ryv+1clOGSCb

Really good power grid in Texas... NOT

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Post ID: @1uht+1clOGSCb

Why would you leave Homewood for Dallas? Homewood is almost certainly cheaper. They may both be area 2, but it's a range and I'd guess Dallas costs more, especially if they are talking about building a big new building from the ground up.

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Post ID: @1ovo+1clOGSCb

Dallas = Area 002 (been here almost 5 years)

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Post ID: @1uhd+1clOGSCb

I don't think people understand 400,000 square feet of office space is not that much.

If they packed everyone in like sardines it would hold maybe up to 4000 employees. That is not counting any extra space for offices, meeting rooms, communications closets, HVAC, a cafeteria, etc.

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Post ID: @1egy+1clOGSCb

Project Falcon was created simply because we lease 2 very small low-level buildings (2 and 3 storey) and we want more space and consolidate Dallas staff. We are also thinking of creating a Technology Hub in Dallas area. The Stage Coach is anchored deep in SFo, we won't be able to move that for a headquarters, that's for sure. WFC's history is anchored in West, not the cow lands.

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@wgi+1clOGSCb
I'd like to think that you are correct. But I fear what happened to other California out - migration states like Oregon and Washington will be the same result in TX. Remains to be seen.

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Post ID: @1jwv+1clOGSCb

"Another example of what Governor Newsom and his leftist high-taxing policies will do to large California companies. You can be damn straight Wells Fargo is looking at TX. And with no state income tax, many Wells employees will ride the big stage coach over to TX."

Sure, high taxes are driving a lot of companies out of California, but Charlie would be making Wells Fargo an East Coast bank regardless.

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Post ID: @1zlp+1clOGSCb

The bank is looking for new space in Dallas because they need to build a giant new operations site to get out of Portland, Jacksonville, Roanoke, Homewood etc. It’s not going to be much of a staff site.

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Post ID: @1qam+1clOGSCb

So many better jobs in Texas, why would I need to stick around to hang from Charlie’s ball bag?

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Post ID: @dxa+1clOGSCb

@wgi+1clOGSCb

Counterintuitive perhaps, but immigrants to TX are more conservative than the natives so things appear to be headed in the opposite direction.

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Post ID: @jby+1clOGSCb

I welcome the increased speed with which Texas blues.

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Post ID: @wgi+1clOGSCb

Isn’t Dallas a location 1 for salary scale?

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Post ID: @mlo+1clOGSCb

Another example of what Governor Newsom and his leftist high-taxing policies will do to large California companies. You can be damn straight Wells Fargo is looking at TX. And with no state income tax, many Wells employees will ride the big stage coach over to TX.

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Post ID: @jjs+1clOGSCb

@gew+1clOGSCb

Been under a rock the last decade huh? Tech / dotcoms have been swarming to Austin as fast as they can. Dallas has been attracting a lot of data center work as well. The bay area has been a tech hub for a long time, and that will likely continue, but there's more than enough growth in the tech world for Austin go be one also. Heck, even SLC is leeching tech off of the bay area. Amazing what a shoe box sized dump of a house costing $1M will do.

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Post ID: @vzh+1clOGSCb

If there is a company that can afford to stay anchored in the high-priced market of SanFran it would be WF. So the scandal must have hammered someone's accounting figures, past and forseen, a bit harder than what has been revealed?

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Post ID: @lmh+1clOGSCb

Move or lose job, simple decision only 2 choices.
Whats the problem?

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Post ID: @fyt+1clOGSCb

Let's face it the most creative, most intelligent people are all in the bay area, not in places like Texas. There's hundreds of cases of where trillion and billion dollar companies were created over night. Do you see that in Texas or even NY, nope. You want brains and talent, it costs money.

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Post ID: @gew+1clOGSCb

Rubbr Chucky, you’re the one
You make Wells Fargo so much fun
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

Rubbr Chucky, you’re cleaning Stumpf’s mess
Some claim that you’re truly heartless
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

On The Layoff they say that you are la……….zy
But we know those people are all cra………zy

Rubbr Chucky, you’re the guy
Cutting jobs while pushing DEI
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

Rubbr Chucky, keep trimming our staff
We’re only happy when you get a good laugh
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

On The Layoff they say that you are la……….zy
But we know those people are all cra………zy

Rubbr Chucky, some say that you’re mean
Employee count keeps getting lean
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

Rubbr Chucky, you’re so fine
We want a place in your firing line
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

On The Layoff they say that you are la……….zy
But we know those people are all cra………zy

Rubbr Chucky, we’ll have a ball
When you host your next Townhall
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

Rubbr Chucky you’re so cute
You’ll retire with tons of our loot
Rubbr Chucky, we are in love with you

On The Layoff they say that you are la……….zy
But we know those people are all cra………zy

Rubbr Chucky it’s time to go
But we really want you to know
Rubbr Chucky, we’ve had enough of you!

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Post ID: @pci+1clOGSCb

Another short term boost for our corporate overlords. When companies move to these areas the expenses in the area skyrocket - for the people who live there.

The companies move to these places to take advantage of lower costs of living so they can pay lower wages and pay lower office costs - and usually tax breaks at the expense of local governments. Then they relocate, or ask people to, from high cost areas that drives up real estate prices. Person from CA used to paying $1000/ sq ft for a modest house will JUMP on the chance to pay half that, even though, before this corporate relo bo-m, the houses were selling for half of THAT.

Localities need to start writing into these corporate giveaways that 80% or more of these jobs need to go to local residents. Stop creating these housing bubbles and let the people who live in the area benefit from the tax breaks that go with these moves.

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Post ID: @vvh+1clOGSCb

risk has a lot of high cost employees in the sf bay area. my guess is they will be offered a relo to Charlotte or one of the other approved risk hub cities (at their own expense) in the next couple years or be laid off. Will have nothing to do with Texas.

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Post ID: @ssk+1clOGSCb

I've been told for most of a decade that California employees are an endangered species.

I'll believe it when it happens.

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Post ID: @juf+1clOGSCb

Build a HUB in the most expensive real estate market and hire/expand said hub. This will save lots of $.

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Post ID: @nse+1clOGSCb

@lsr+1clOGSCb

So does that mean ceo, coo and all are also moving to Texas or Des Moines out of a high cost center like NYC? Because they just built a hub around them in Hudson Yards. I bet not.

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Post ID: @pym+1clOGSCb

the race to the bottom continues.

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Post ID: @ijl+1clOGSCb

Charlie looking to deconstruct anything related to Wells Fargo’s branding/history/past. Unusual move on a Board’s part to put someone at the helm who despises the company (including it’s employees).

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Post ID: @gqz+1clOGSCb

Morgan Stanley playbook:

"Too many employees based in high-cost centers are doing work that can sensibly be done in lower-cost centers," he said. "Now is the time to tackle head-on our infrastructure costs."

The mention of "lower-cost centers" most likely means the bank is looking to shift jobs overseas or to low-cost locations in the US.

Buckle up!

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