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Why I left EMIT after 17 years

I’ve been browsing these posts for a few months and though I would give perspective as to why I made the proactive decision to leave…..I also thought it would be good to list some perspective for those wanting to stay and those looking elsewhere.

I was an L3 Manager. My ranking was consistent and I generally enjoyed double-digit raises for several years (on the average…. some years were less). Once I crossed over a CL range, the raise was amazing and better than you will see elsewhere in terms of base pay. I also enjoyed receiving RSUs although the vesting was setup for the longer term (50% at 3 years and 50% at 7 years). The 401k match was incredible and so was our retirement plan in Voya. This plan has extremely low cost and is setup for those making a large base salary who max out their 401k and need extra savings opportunities like the mega-backdoor Roth. Benefits are incredible at ExxonMobil (and I haven’t event talked about medical/dental (vision plan still sucks though)).
I left because there is no long-term confidence from the EMIT LT that our jobs will be around in 5-15 years, which is EXACTLY when I need stability. I hired on for the “long-term” career, but that idea is quickly fading by many in the EMIT LT who seem to be out to please their boss…who is likely to retire in 3-5 years anyway and have different incentives than me or my peers. Simply put, the fundamental misalignment of incentives (both in ranking/assessment + long term careers) is a main reason why I left. I have zero faith that BK or others on the EMIT LT actually care and are just doing what Dallas wants to meet short-term objectives. At the end of the day, the EMIT LT are going to place numbers on a PPT which shows how costs are controlled and the EMIT LT do not have a concern for headcount. If there is a concern about HC, it because the US attrition rates are higher than expected and it slows the growth of GBCs to lower the overall EMIT cost #. Again….this is a reason why I left – there is just no faith the EMIT LT want to keep jobs in the US and someone is always looking to save money. Like I heard before on these posts – you’re just a year away from being NSI 😊
A few more comments:
• The potential buckets were changed in 2020. There is no longer a +1 progression from a CL 28, 29, 30, 31, etc. If I recall, the new cutoff was CL29, then a gap until CL32 or CL33….this felt like a “course correction” to stop salary increases for the majority of managers like me
• MSP – don’t need to say anything else. Its MSP or Bust for ALL of GSC. I even had some friends in Procurement say their group was being MSP’d. Same for EPS. The GSC LT is just the same as the EMIT LT – which is “let’s show Dallas how we are saving money and “brining value” to the corporation” – again – how can I be sure my job is around in 5 years??
• Borrowing to pay the dividend when we lose $22B. Executives still get the dividend check, so its really hard for me to address question from my staff of the 401k freeze + no raises when we borrow to pay the dividend, which benefits executives’ RSUs. I heard the spill about it being an “important part of our capital structure”, but that means nothing to the mid-level employee. This was very hard for me to swallow as a leader and I could not use the standard ExxonMobil pitch about me not understanding what capital structure means.
• For the same reasons as above, the 401k match pause was a slap in the face. Did this REALLY make a dent when we could have just paused or lowered the dividend?
• The ranking/assessment process and our stance of “its not a layoff” – technically true, but give me a break….this process is from like 1985. Move on and find a better way to rank people or get over yourself about getting sued for firing people. If you don’t want people around, just rip the band-aid and move on. The MLRP is NOT away to “help” people…its truly a way to reduce staff….and I don’t care what HR says. Its also ridiculous that manager have to beat each other up every year for their employees assessment – even more so now with the extra buckets…..just go back to the 1/3 sections so there is more wiggle room.
• Technology is way behind….the fact that we touted Zoom as a cloud success is sad. We should be light years ahead in our cloud technology (which could have saved the MSP item from above).

Reasons for staying:
• Base pay is excellent…at my YEE, you will likely not find a better company paying higher
• Top notch benefits for Medical and Dental
• 401k match (when it comes back) is good.
• Learnings scale…..not a lot of companies operate at the scale XOM does in terms of user counts….

I’ve heard the comments about “I left to join a tech firm and making so much more” That might be true for someone with 5-10 year experience but for me, that wasn’t the case. I had a hard time getting anyone to go over 180k. Some HR reps promise bonuses or stock, but base pay is what matters for the 401k and annual % increase in raise….XOM wins on this almost every time for those in the 14-19 year range (and no, you’re not going to triple your annual base pay salary….but jesus BK, why even say that!).

After typing this post, I realized that there are so many divergent thoughts on EMIT. My general sense is – if you’re between 10 – 18 years, you better decide in the next 3-5 years if this is right for you. The younger crowd will have time to recover or job hunt later. The >18 better pray and save….its only a matter of time.

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Post ID: @OP+1ct56Wqb

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Time for a reappraisal… where is the author today and what would they do different?

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Post ID: @6sdb+1ct56Wqb

From another EMIT employee can confirm most of the info shared by OP and agree with their assessment of how and where EMIT is and lack of Leadership. Yes you can make good money as you become a IT mgr but if you are looking for stability this is no longer the place to be. The amount of folks quitting XOM in IT is significant and a sign of lack of trust in its Leadership

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Post ID: @Vprh+1ct56Wqb

Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfcking snakes on this motherfcking plane!

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Post ID: @4zpk+1ct56Wqb

7K views in 3 days - is there someone at EMIT who did not see this post?

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Post ID: @3eur+1ct56Wqb

I’m really confused.

Supposedly, he was making 250k and because of a 5-15 stability forecast, he quits.

So, how much is he making now? 150?

It all sounds fishy to me. I don’t buy it.

I still think it is a made up story.

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Post ID: @3cte+1ct56Wqb

L3 in EMIT prob makes ~$250K ..... hard to find $250K unless VP level or consulting director ... though you will need work 24/7

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Post ID: @2hbv+1ct56Wqb

I think this post is fake.

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Post ID: @2eaq+1ct56Wqb

This will be in business textbooks:

  • "Borrowing to pay the dividend when we lose $22B."
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Post ID: @2qur+1ct56Wqb

Thank you OP, I left EMIT but I agree with all you say...

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Post ID: @2ahw+1ct56Wqb

and guess who has the best job stability now?

it's the MSP people who are paid $5 an hour. I don't begrudge them

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Post ID: @2itx+1ct56Wqb

Thank you for your post. I am in a somehow similar situation. Not a manager here but I’ve been a HiPo for about 10 years and slated for management positions and decided to proactively leave as well. Not in EMIT though. I am still coming to terms with the fact I left and this forum helps me make sense of things and get some closure from it. Last week it was my last week working for the company I once had plans to retire in. The reason why I left was because I no longer believed I was working for good and ethical people and knowing that this is not gonna end well. After we’ve been through the pandemics and I saw how poorly things were managed I became extremely demotivated. It was unbelievable how greedy those executives could be to the point to sustain dividends at whatever cost. They kept cutting us dry even after we’ve all had a rough year and we’re all beaten up already. They didn’t even care to share the burden we were carrying. Not even a little bit. For me it just became clear that all they made us believe throughout these years: stability, morale, giving back to our communities, work hard and get rewards was all a big do---o. Let’s not even talk about the joke this PADP cycle became, I refuse to spend my time even commenting on this. When I broke the news to my manager they asked me what would it take for me stay. At that moment I had a flashback of all the he-l we’ve been going through and I said I appreciated his effort to keep me but I had already made up my mind and would rather just leave. It was sad to see my colleagues asking me where I was going but nobody needed to ask me why I was leaving. It was clear and everybody knows. For me, the quitting experience brought me even more assurance I was doing the right thing. When things get to this point I don’t believe in second chances.

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Post ID: @2zwn+1ct56Wqb

If you want further proof EM management monitors this board, look no further than how many times posts have been removed.

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Post ID: @2vof+1ct56Wqb

Kamelot klowns krawling out now.
No mercy, friendo.

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Post ID: @2isp+1ct56Wqb

I find it terrifyingly and painfully humorous that EMIT management are just now coming to terms with the fact that a bunch of people are resigning ("wait a second, our employees aren't in it for the long haul?") after two years of 8% MLRP, many years of moving work to MSPs while simultaneously exposing the virtues of social collisions on campus, and keeping their dividends while the rest of US staff lost their 401k match. They are either liars or incompetent.

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Post ID: @1jlr+1ct56Wqb

5000 people read this...

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Post ID: @1iyh+1ct56Wqb

The best post on this site so far.

Thank you OP.

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Post ID: @1wil+1ct56Wqb

Now that the L3s are here, I think it is time for Darren to show up and give us his side of the story.

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Post ID: @1lkr+1ct56Wqb

Several good points on the dry-rot / driftwood management system and the additional need by this privy crowd for "gotta have more sun-lamp".
But this brown study is about as bougie and high-campus as any other post ever on this board.

reminds me of an Eno song: Dead Finks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmlC-9dDMk4

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Post ID: @1ask+1ct56Wqb

I think it’s ridiculous to think Exxon is the best company in the world and that pays the best salaries out there. This is not true. XOM 15+ years snobs don’t want to accept that their experience accumulated there is not valued by other companies, thus if they decide to jump ships they obviously will have to downsize temporarily. This KoolAid must be hella good cause people seem to think XOM is the only option and find excuses to stay no matter what. Ughhhh

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Post ID: @1hkh+1ct56Wqb

@bhd+1ct56Wqb
Basis of consideration is flawed. EMIT only wants to hire in Indian and we only want MSP. Top talent is not EM’s criteria at all, and I laugh at anyone deluded enough to still think it is. Cost is the only consideration, my friend.

Thank you OP for your effort typing this and speaking out. I’m getting out as soon as I find a job... not going to waste my life on this race to the bottom. Ironically I’m from a lower cost country, ranked middle to excellent all these years, and still paid less than $100k (none of that good RSU stuff for mere mortals of course). I was hired 15 years ago as part of the move out to the BSC locations, but none of us can out-cheap India MSP. OP is spot on on MSP for all. Employees in EMIT want job stability, that's why we are here, but we now clearly see that we are just buffer stock.

Luckily no one can travel now... I will dread the time when we have to spend weeks to arrange LT visits, sit through vacuous talks in employee forums and pretend to believe what we now know are lies. We used to treat these L2s and L3s visits like gifts from God. Next time they come I hope I'm no longer around to be part of the clown show.

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Post ID: @1zvr+1ct56Wqb

#WeWantMikeBrownBack

As incomplete as it was, we used to have a vision in EMIT and the organization was motivated to deliver value. Now, there is no vision, so the only way to add "value" is through efficiencies. This is pretty sad.

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Post ID: @1bzn+1ct56Wqb

Don't you ever wonder "if the base is so great, why can't EMIT attract top experienced talent to replace the people that are leaving?" Short answer, we can't afford them!

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Post ID: @bhd+1ct56Wqb

OP thanks for the transparency, these are the things non-LT never hear about. Couple of thoughts from your post:

Unless you’ve been consistently at the top, I think anyone in the 10-18 year bucket should really evaluate if they should stay. EM processes are not valued in the market and the longer you wait the less marketable you are.

Also the technology we use here is laughably behind and the people are as well. I’ll never forget the day when gifs were enabled on Yammer and people were asking how to post the “moving images” and whether posting them meets security and control guidelines sigh Delivering yesterday’s technology, tomorrow stuff at its finest.

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Post ID: @owb+1ct56Wqb
Some HR reps promise bonuses or stock, but base pay is what matters for the 401k and annual % increase

As someone else said, it’s pretty hard to go anywhere that gives above $180k base minus Netflix and quant firms like Two Sigma which are known to pay all cash. So yes, EM is good about high base but some of these tech firms will literally give you several hundreds of thousands in RSU that vests over the years.

Unless you are joining a volatile company with big stock dips, I would be open to those types of companies. The best part is you get a raise AND stock refreshers.

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Post ID: @qmy+1ct56Wqb

Ok…some of these posts are just too long which means you really are holding on to too much anger!! I retired this year and went to the Dr today for a follow-up and guess what?? My health is far better today than when I worked for that nasty disappointment of a company ExxonMobil! My Dr also mentioned that a few employees are new patients and the conclusion is that ExxonMobil is a horrible place to work. Now that I’m feeling my best and my BP is down, I know I made the right decision on leaving. ExxonMobil management is by far a HUGE disappointment and they will be lucky if they survive. Take responsibility for your health and do what’s best for you!!!

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Post ID: @spi+1ct56Wqb

OP - yes 180k base pay is high for houston (for any of the tech firms) unless you're in a director level position, but looking at only base pay is short sighted. FAANGM (or almost all tech firms) use RSU's much more liberally than xom.

So while I (former EMIT) might have less than 180k base pay, total cash paid out to me through base / bonus / rsu's is light years (almost double) ahead of you, which is to say if you're looking at pure base pay to evaluate if you should leave, you're going to find that you're overpaid relative to your skills (if that makes sense).

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Post ID: @bka+1ct56Wqb

Disagree on medical and dental - my new employer Medical and Dental are free for me and my family and most of my deductibles, etc are significantly lower. The Dental plan at XOM was pretty great allowing for 4 cleanings /yr - but you were definitely paying for it. $54/mo for me and my partner = $648/yr. The paid option at my new employer is $7/mo for dental for equivalent coverage. I've heard confirmations from others in the industry that their experiences are similar.

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Post ID: @mpg+1ct56Wqb

Couldn't agree more, those who can leave will (or have), and those who can't... well, they will power EMIT into the future (while working from India).

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Post ID: @iqm+1ct56Wqb

This is the best post on TheLayoff so far... The OP starts with this:

- I hired on for the “long-term” career, but that idea is quickly fading by many in the EMIT LT who seem to be out to please their boss…who is likely to retire in 3-5 years anyway and have different incentives than me or my peers. Simply put, the fundamental misalignment of incentives (both in ranking/assessment + long term careers) is a main reason why I left. I have zero faith that BK or others on the EMIT LT actually care and are just doing what Dallas wants to meet short-term objectives.
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Post ID: @vqx+1ct56Wqb

Hi The Original Poster - Thank you for sharing this story and while it is not the most happy one it surely made my day. Good luck!

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Post ID: @pwx+1ct56Wqb

To add as a mid level manager you don’t have ability to make decisions or spend money. There is no doag & decisions are made so far up line they don’t have a clue what is actually happening. (It’s not like my upline has any decision making ability either.) the reason we are over paid as managers is because they don’t let us do our jobs. We are cogs just as much as everyone else, we just have golden handcuffs that make it a little harder to let go.

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Post ID: @ela+1ct56Wqb

History is in the making currently. Looking back - would you like to see yourself on the sinking Exxtanic or on a brand new ship with better potential for the long haul. This is the question.

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Post ID: @itr+1ct56Wqb

Wow. Well said

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Post ID: @mnu+1ct56Wqb

Thanks for the advice. I have been here a few decades and I am too close to retirement to change jobs at this point. I am praying and saving. Taking it year by year and trying not to let the negativity pull me down.

Loyalty ceases to exist here. People see the writing on the wall. They are doing the bare minimum and are looking for other jobs. I don’t expect many jobs in North America for very much longer.

This is sad to watch.

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Post ID: @ust+1ct56Wqb

I was wondering why managers were resigning. These people hear more than the common employee so if they are resigning that can’t be good news.

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Post ID: @xfq+1ct56Wqb

@OP+1ct56Wqb for perspective can you share which age group were you in (still are if same) when you left XOM?

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Post ID: @veb+1ct56Wqb

Wow, L3. Thanks for posting this.

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Post ID: @lel+1ct56Wqb

Who are these angry people who are trying to hide people from speaking their truths???

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Post ID: @oas+1ct56Wqb

After 17 years and the longest bull market in history, you should be in the 1% and retired.

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Post ID: @zrh+1ct56Wqb

@OP You're the few wise men left at EM - a diminishing crowd. Wish you the best - anywhere is better than a dying "empire"!

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