@nhgb+1ctS8NjJ
How about getting a better grasp on capitalization and punctuation before commenting on people's grasp of the English language?
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"It would be a welcome requirement. Our stress and anxiety levels will be much lower by not having to deal with unvaccianted, unmasked covidiots It's a win-win. "
Because the vaccine protects the already vaccinated (being facetious here). Maybe try to get better command of English writing first, as well as critical thinking. I'm certain your low level job can be done from bangalore by another incompetent hack like yourself anyways so don't stress.
"Your last statement doesn't make sense. If you've been remote only, then why would you go back into the office under the statement of "if you previously went into the office for your job ..."? You didn't previously go into the office."
I take it critical thinking is not your strong point? Whether you have went in once in 5 years or 20 times in one year you can be and probably are classified as a remote worker. I would say most of those times in were to just hang out or get out of the home office by choice. There is a huge segment of cisco in that category. The caveat here is that a lot have to go to customer locations. Being vaccinated is so that the PR that cisco would get by one of theirs showing up and making an entire customer staff sick would not be good. chuckie boy stated this much on a call. If you didn't have to go onsite at csco previously, what business does any company have telling you that you have to be vaccinated? Compliant drone....
They are going to have a very tough time enforcing a new requirement on existing employees. Especially those that have worked the entirety of their careers at cisco remotely. They have stated that if you previously went into the office for your job that you will be required to go back in when the offices fully open. Try forcing that on 15-25 year remote only workers that do not have to be onsite with customers.
Your last statement doesn't make sense. If you've been remote only, then why would you go back into the office under the statement of "if you previously went into the office for your job ..."? You didn't previously go into the office.
It looks like the "if you had a desk before, you will return to the office when the offices re-open" is no longer the case. I've been converted to a remote worker and I have 2 weeks to go in to clear out my desk. They have no time line yet, but the buildings at my campus will be converted to "hotel cubes" and meeting spaces to support hybrid work, so no one will have assigned desks any more. But the reality is, there's not a single remote person who's never had to go into the office once in 15 yrs so you'll probably have to get vax'ed just for a rare meeting.
Right now, Cisco's only requirement is to be fully vax'ed or have an exemption to go into the building, so as long as you don't need to go in or need to meet with customers, you are good to go. Whether or not Biden's mandate requiring companies w/ more than 100 employees to be vax'ed holds up will determine if you need it or not. For those who don't want the shot, avoid on-site meetings as best you can. For those who normally get vaccinated, it's no big deal.
I'm just pi---d that I was an on-site worker & bought a smaller, more expense house to have a short commute time and now I'm going to be remote. I could have used a larger house to have space for a home office had I known I'd be remote after buying it when my manager said they wanted me IN THE OFFICE when I was hired and asked about the possibility of being remote given everyone else on the team was remote.
They are going to have a very tough time enforcing a new requirement on existing employees. Especially those that have worked the entirety of their careers at cisco remotely. They have stated that if you previously went into the office for your job that you will be required to go back in when the offices fully open. Try forcing that on 15-25 year remote only workers that do not have to be onsite with customers.
Doesn’t matter what the illiterati write here, mandatory CV vaccines (or antibody test) is coming. Unless you want to live like the UNABOMBER or get a medical exemption, then you will have to comply.
So, get the jabs and move on.
Oh, and I’m probably what you call a conservative, and I have a CV “passport” which I had to use to get on a flight this week. I really don’t get what the big deal is - people are losing their minds.
I heard an interview with some doctors this week with what we know about this COVID virus (hint: not much). But what they suspect is very worrying, and the capabilities of this virus are a definite outlier. For instance, they know that the virus has the ability to invade the central nervous system, there’s ample evidence for that. With long COVID, it seems to have the ability to stay hidden there, at least in some people. What scares the cr-p out of them is that in 20 years COVID will reveal itself again as some terrible disease (think MS).
And if you think the vaccine is untested, well, it’s a lot better understood and tested than the complete virus is.
To be honest, there are already much greater looming threats to our freedoms and liberties than vaccines.
@5mfc+1ctS8NjJ, please tell me what these so-called preventative and out patient treatments are. I'm still waiting.
I hope you're not talking about Ivermectin. Now judges are becoming doctors and deciding on people's treatments. The CDC and doctors are saying Ivermectin is not a treatment for COVID, but some woman sued a hospital to force it to give Ivermectin to her husband and the judge agreed.
The dr-g was originally developed to deworm livestock animals before doctors began using it against parasitic diseases among humans. Several researchers won a Nobel Prize in 2015 for establishing its efficacy in humans. It’s used to treat head lice, onchocerciasis (river blindness) and others.
What the he-l does a parasitic disease treatment have to do with treating a respiratory virus?! But hey, the conservatives are wanting to take it because non-medical conservative politicians and news personalities are endorsing it.
The dr-g has grown in popularity among conservatives, fueled by endorsements from allies of former President Donald Trump like U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc. or Fox News personalities Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity.
Let's all drink bleach and sit under UV lamps, take Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. What is the world coming to?
@6drx+1ctS8NjJ - did you take the tinfoil after writing this?
Politics is getting Americans ki---d, bring more folks here who are un-American and hate religion and America. Bad leadership to blame.
Covid and vaccines made by humans is a front for World War.
There's a bigger picture...
Two tier society in the making.
China to run USA .
The people are the problem that allow this.
They are confused by politics and leaders.
Remember all the people who gave up America to live in China when Obama was president. Same stuff... now just on USA soil.
@5mfc+1ctS8Nj
If preventative options that actually work existed, why isn't the main stream media, the CDC, etc. not all telling us to take it?
As to outpatient treatment options, those are for AFTER you catch it. If you're on my team, I want you taking preventative steps like wearing a mask and being vaccinated to prevent exposing me, and therefore the rest of my family, rather than waiting until I get it to be treated for it.
COVID-19 vaccinations do NOT violate personal liberties! Did you get your MMR (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella) vaccine as a child? Polio vaccination? Small pox vaccination? What's the difference with the COVID-19 vaccination? The Pfizer vaccine has been fully approved for age 16 and older.
Any company has the right to require whatever safety measures they feel are necessary, i.e. wearing a mask in certain situations, being vaccinated (not just COVID vaccinations), wearing safety glasses or hearing protection, etc. And the U.S. military requires all approved vaccinations and you get 6-12 vaccinations when you join the service.
I'm glad you're vaccinated, but everyone needs it just like we did with MMR, polio and small pox.
I just lost a team mate because he was brainwashed into not getting vaccinated because it's his body, his choice. I wonder how you'd feel if you caught COVID and were turned away from the hospital because you were not vaccinated like my cousin was. I'm hearing that some insurance companies are refusing to pay for COVID care if you're not vaccinated, but I have no proof of that. Luckily my cousin's case was mild and they recovered, but my co-worker did not.
My wife has immune deficiencies and no one is really able to judge how effective the vaccination was in her case, so I have to be extra careful not to be exposed and bringing it home to her if I have a mild or asymptomatic case. If I have to work w/ anyone at Cisco in-person, I need to know if they're vaccinated or they can stay the fu-k across the room from me. I've had my shots, I wear my mask when indoors, and I pretty much have doubled the distance I keep between myself and others.
I'm happy that Cisco is only mandating the vaccination for people coming into the office, but sooner or later everyone is going to have to go into the office for something, and woops, now you need the vaccination. Damn, it takes 5-6 weeks from date of the first shot to being fully vaccinated and who knows 5-6 weeks in advance that you're going to need to go into the office?
Time to quit ranting. :-)
I’m a voodoo priestess. I prescribe bat intestines for covid.
@5mfc+1ctS8Nj
You are hilarious. Once you get through all the trash you have copied and pasted basically what you are saying is that you had it. You got better. That's that. You plum. Agile methodology...listen to yourself. Go have a lie down.
COVID-19 vaccinations (current versions) shouldn't be mandated for anyone because it violates personal liberties, but more specifically because a number of preventive and outpatient treatment options exist. If you're already triggered and shaking your head reading that sentence, check your brainwashing. If/when you get COVID, including the vaccinated, you should be looking at all options on the table. In Cisco-speak, you are a CAP case if you get COVID; throw anything and everything at the problem. The virus causes inflammation and coagulation; you have to treat those symptoms (the earlier the better) while giving your immune system support and time to fight the virus.
Hopefully, the following resources come through and aren't censored. First two are most helpful, imo.
covid19criticalcare dot com
aapsonline dot org
frontlinemds dot com
Look at data from plenty of other countries except the US: Preventive and Outpatient treatment is safe and effective.
Please note I've not specified any particular protocol or dr-g...because there are many...because we react to the virus differently.
If Cisco or anyone else is going to mandate vaccinations, then logically, it should mandate all forms of preventive treatment, which obviously makes no sense.
No, I'm not anti-vax...I'm vaxed as of Apr 2021. Started preventive protocol when kids' school started, got COVID, followed an outpatient treatment protocol, and recovered without missing a beat.
But while we're on the topic of vaccinations and considering the audience here...keep in mind that all these vaccines have been developed using an Agile methodology, and it's the first time doing it this way. Have you ever considered how the manufacturers track bugs, write release notes, manage revision control, purges of tainted stock?
And given that, is it any wonder there is so much vaccine hesitancy for a Rev 1 or 2 experimental product?
For Cisco employees to not understand the general population's vaccine hesitancy is a very ironic self-own.
No.
fran and chucky boy will do and say anything. However, they won't competently run a company. Don't play politics - and badly at that. You two along with MM and Alvio are total buffoons that could ruin any successfully company. I guess they are the bidens of the corporate world. It just took longer than 7 months to trash the place.
Companies should mandate vaccines, no exceptions accepted. You can go and be a COVIDIOT at home and spare the rest of us of the insanity. Freedom without social responsibility is a liability.
They'll probably announce it just so a bunch of people quit of their own volition and avoid an LR. Wouldn't be the worst thing to happen though!
I think Cisco's current stance is fair and reasonable. They're not mandating employees get vaccinated but do require them to be if on-site. We should be grateful for their flexibility.
If I catch covid19 at a Cisco office, can I sue Cisco?
How can you prove you caught it AT a Cisco office and not somewhere else? You also have to prove that Cisco was negligent about protecting your safety while in the office, but since they've posted signs everywhere and clearly communicated their safety policies, it's near impossible to prove any negligence on their part, even if you could prove you caught it in the office.
If I catch covid19 at a Cisco office, can I sue Cisco?
Let’s let politics ruin this company just like it’s ruining the country!
sure - while we are at it let's make sure everyone is up to date on all their other vaccines as well...
For an employer to mandate a medical procedure, they should legally be required to take on all liability for any damages caused by the treatment.
It's not a medical "procedure". It's a vaccination. Elementary, middle, junior and high schools as well as colleges have been requiring students to be vaccinated for decades. Yes, the list of required vaccinations has grown over time. Now they require Chicken Pox vaccination which wasn't required when my children attended school. Are you against that one too? BTW, the FDA has made the Pfizer vaccination fully approved, so you can no longer claim it's only for emergency use (and the US is in an emergency right now) and that you are being tested on if you get it.
Be glad you're working for Cisco and not in the armed forces. They are required to get more than a half dozen vaccinations upon entering service, get the flu shot every year, and get specific vaccinations for countries they deploy to. Refusal doesn't get you booted out of service, or "fired" in civilian terms, it can get you a prison sentence in a military prison at worst or a dishonorable discharge, which sticks with you forever like a criminal conviction does.
The surmounting video after video after video after video plus we’ll (SIC) respected medical professionals who are jeopardizing their careers by speaking out on the harm the shots are in causing in some should definitely give everyone pause.
I don't know what videos or well respected medical professionals you're talking about, but all the videos I've seen have been debunked. Could there be videos and well respected medical professionals out there, sure, but I haven't seen them. The number of people who've had a bad reaction to a vaccination are incredibly small, and that's true for nearly every vaccination. That's why my family got their shots at a hospital instead of a pharmacy. But hey, you saw a bunch of videos on the Internet, so they must be true, right?
Not to mention the Antibody Dependency Enhancement that is looking to be an issue.
Site some references for this. The first I've heard of ADE was a video that was debunking it and my quick Internet search did not turn up any results about ADE one way or the other from an Internet medical site I trust.
Anti vaxxers are the problem
get a shot or go find another job. if we don't mandate the vaccine then I'm not going back to the office. What is wrong with you people?
Already do - if you want to go into an office or travel to customer sites.
For an employer to mandate a medical procedure, they should legally be required to take on all liability for any damages caused by the treatment.
The surmounting video after video after video after video plus we’ll respected medical professionals who are jeopardizing their careers by speaking out on the harm the shots are in causing in some should definitely give everyone pause.
Not to mention the Antibody Dependency Enhancement that is looking to be an issue.
Now I know most of you id--ts don’t actually work at Cisco. We’ve known for weeks it is required.
no vax, no job
It would be a welcome requirement. Our stress and anxiety levels will be much lower by not having to deal with unvaccianted, unmasked covidiots It's a win-win.
Its probably coming, yes. Have to be vaccinated and masked to go to an office on-site currently. So the options become slimmer by the month. Last event had people BEGGING for a booster shot.
Probably, if they want to do any business with the .gov
No.