It used to be hard to get a job at XOM and for a good reason. When it came to the pay and benefits in the O&G industry, we were the cream of the crop so we could choose the cream of the crop. Now that the pay and benefits have fallen behind most of the industry, things have changed drastically. Now, they'll take anybody off the street because they have no choice. No proper education, no experience, nothing. Those of us who've been here for years and decades end up paying for it. We need to train people who are untrainable. This means that in many cases we end up having to do their jobs to make sure it gets done right. So we get more work for the same subpar pay. Knowing all this, how anybody can be surprised by the high attrition is beyond me.
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War of universities, Perfect!
International people from low grade universities are the worst as they fake everything to hide their insecurities.
Wow! I guess that person is totally upset about someone calling them out. When I started reading further, statistics and university names are thrown around, kind of like it is here at work. Dude, go have a beer and relax no one said anything to you personally.
@2enp+1d0P6yvk - Everyone knows has a “I know a guy who went to -cr-p school- and is at Google” type story. But let’s face it, they are outliers, the majority of Sam Houston/No degree folks don’t end up at Apple.
Now let’s take actual data from LinkedIn, the best post grad opportunities (faang, investment banks, management consultant firms) are majority made up of Ivy League and top schools. In contrast look at our LinkedIn profile (people tab), it’s mostly A&M, UT, UH, LSU. If you’re silly enough to go to an Ivy and end up at EM then you probably are an outlier yourself and deserve to just stay here.
Statistically, undergrad school says a lot about your work ethic and future opportunities whether you like it or not. The data is out there.
Some of these posts regarding which university someone attended is interesting. I know people in tech with high school diplomas making mid to high six figures and another one that quit after her second year of college and went to work for a tech company, they offered her such a substantial salary. One thing seemed to be the common thread with them, they know what they are talking about and what they're doing. Over time I asked how each of them got hired, it wasn't about having a degree or which university you attended, it's all about whether they could pass several grueling interviews. Actually expected to fully answer question in detail, explain processes in depth, show and explain connections, given actual problems and asked how to solve it, explain a choice, describe possible other options, which codes do you know and asked for examples, things like that. Again, they are in tech, you do not need a license, the degree is not required, but skills are highly sought after. I would be careful badmouthing people who did not attend a prestigious university.
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I disagree. You must be at work, completed your little power point and have down time. Go eat a bowl of macaroni & cheese and watch some cartoons. I am sure that’s what you must have done in college.
Where did you attend? Must have been a community college for the first two years!
I don’t give a Rts A* where you went to college, either you can do the job and solve problems or you cannot. Nobody wants to do their job and half of someone else’s because you went to some f*kn’ university and pi---d around for four years, or 5 or 6…however long it took you to graduate with tutoring. I respect people who know their sh**, can do the job and collaborate for completion.
eqy+1d0P6yvk. Really? I know a Sam Houston State University grad, got hired on in CA with Apple. He’s not the only one from a small state university got great jobs with excellent companies that expect a work ethic and results. We used to be great, some people still are, but there’s an awful lot of people that spew out where they went to college and we have to try to train/hold their hand/pick up the slack/explain to them to do their job…and then hear about their university, yet again.
There are no Ivy League folks in EM. Never have been.
But alot of the people telling EM's CEO what to do are Ivy League.
That's a tradition.
LOL! I wonder who in same conscience that went to an Ivy League would accept working for this company? In the end of the day we are all process operators (including engineers, finance, hr, medical, law, etc). We get paid to make sure the machine is working as expected, not to think. Stop pretending you are big sh-t cause you know it is true ;) xoxo
This is a weird take. To hire people with little to no experience, fail to train them, then call them incompetent and untrainable for the company’s shortcomings sounds about as XOM as it gets. By your description only people who are already in oil and gas should get to worn for XOM which excludes a lot of great minds that may not have experience. Great companies foster their employees, they don’t set them up for failure and blame them for failing. This company is toxic and so is this post. The problem starts at the TOP. You wouldn’t even new as many new hires if the “experienced” employees at the top aren’t the ones running the company into the ground.
They deserve what they get after what they did to so many good employees just to turn around and hire subpar people.
BYU's always knocking on the door too!
Jim McMahon, the punky QB.
Funny posts seeming to qualify Colleges as equivalents of bestness and brightness.
All you CO School of Mines, Rensallaer, MIT, Oxford and Johns Hopkins grads, please take a step back.
That piece of paper don't mean a thing if what's inside is a piece of paper.
As Guv Abbottoir sez: One thing you caint hide, when you cr1ppled inside. Right?
I think the really good football schools are the best ones for EM recruiting.
DW's from TAMU. Right?
Well, they actively recruited me back in 2017 as an experienced hire with 20+ years of prior experience in my field. My immediate sup bragged about having me and other experienced hires in his group.
Come July 2020, I’m slotted as NSI. I’m no fool, so took the PIL money and ran. It’s their own damn fault. Still doesn’t make sense to me.
Decline of EM came a while back. Didn’t you notice them hiring from Pune U, OSU, LSU, Texas Tech, UIUC, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Anna Malai U
The worst thing is when they hire lazy unmotivated youngsters. I have seen in the past several hires that were not team players and a holes in the interview. One contractor that was lazy, complained about the work and moody was hired. Everyone was against hiring her but the manager had a hard on for her. Exxon should give a personality test to new hires to weed out the wackos. IT is funny how the older workers out work the younger ones. I personally work extra hours to get the job done, while the young ones barely put in 7 hours a day if that. The young ones are getting tired of the increased work load and complaining.
You know it’s bad when we start hiring people from Sam Houston State University.
Hiring contractors is a short term win. Contractors are typically strong performers but their very essence means that they will not want to be here long term and will jump once the market gets hot again.
We were always told - be loyal and EM will be loyal to you. That has gone out of the window. Don’t be loyal and always be ready to go. It’s sad to say this as I thought I was a lifer with EM until last year.
Absolutely correct! We are hiring contractors, but it will take months to train them and bring them up to speed. Recent college hires take more than a year of hand holding before they are even somewhat useful. Meanwhile, I’m concerned how this will affect my PDS; what dollar figure can I place on training multiple people?