Is there a new HR guidance o fail as many PIP's as possible before year-end 2021? Some supervisors have received instructions to submit more data for those in PIP for review.
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@1ncw and @1ovj - NRE’s are protected. That is why the individual in 1ncw‘s post may have 2 NSI’s already, but is still employed. MRE’s don’t go on the PIP program. I think they have something called PCP (? it’s an unfortunate acronym if true). Basically, they are protected until they are RE, then they’ll be out - possibly terminated, probably PIP’d and PIL’d.
1ovj - you are correct for everyone else. To pass the PIP, you must convince all reviewers (your boss, HR, senior manager, Law) that you will maintain a ranking of at least “Good” for the next few cycles. If you can’t convince them of this, you fail the PIP and you’re out. If you do convince them and pass the PIP but are NI or NSI in the next cycle, you will be terminated without any discussion.
The has informed (warned) you by the PIP training that HR rolled out that says that PIPS are good and part of the process. Given that the company has further reduced liability towards an employee stating that the PDS and PIP process has gully been explained to you. Now it is upto you, employees to determine whether you want to work in this system or not. So in a nutshell the only one who cares about you is you, not your peer, not your supervisor, not your Mgr, not HR, and def. Not the Dallas man.
We all know if you elect to try PIP and pass, you are pegged forever as being a looser.
Get out before this effects your mental and physical health.
The guy who said that 3 PIPs in 5 years will get you bounced is a liar.
The paperwork you sign when you take a PIP says that failure to improve performance is grounds for termination. That means that one more NSI and they can send you packing with no PIL option, no insurance for a few months, no additional pay. NOTHING!!!
Don’t fall for it. Take the PIL. And If you take the PIP and pass, then unplug in the few months you have before the next ranking cycle and just coast. Spend your remaining time on your mental health and looking for your next job. Just get out because it’s not worth it.
I started a job last week in renewables in a new city, in a more stable organization, more vacation, and with better benefits, but slightly lower pay. I passed a PIP and got out. So can you!!!
Believe in yourself and make the switch!!! Do as little work as possible and spend your time finding your next opportunity. You will thank me for it!!!
Exxon is trying to destroy Americans. Why don’t you take all of your bs to India, let them run your corporation and see how it goes. The ignorance is baffling.
I see a couple supervisors post.
Regardless if you made it easy, that employee will never forget this moment. No undeserving employee will go through PIP and come out the other side wanting to stay.
Maybe you bought yourself more time only.
I know someone who is NRE and has 2 NSIs back to back. All it will take is one more NSI within the next 3 years to trigger the forced retirement. Such bu-----t.
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The new rules are if you are assessed as MLRP 3 times in 5 years you are out. So yes, a PIP does have long term consequences, especially now that we are locked into this 8% sh--e. The only loophole is for those called Near Retirement Eligible (ages 52 -54 at end of calendar year). You get to have a Documented Counseling Plan, which is a PIP, but without the pass or fail at the end. You pass. But, once you are out of NRE you are likely going to be forced into retirement pretty quickly because the past NSI assessments count towards the 3 MLRP in 5 years.
But even if they pass the PIP won’t it affect their career long term?
HR needs actions with due dates to measure the PIP. Any supervisor that has HR asking for more data is certainly just needing to add dates to the actions. Most supervisors I know, myself included, are making the PIPs incredibly easy to pass. We don’t want to loose anyone due to this ludicrous 8% NSI mandate. We are going through the motions to comply with the policy but will not fail anyone. But regardless, most people who get PIPed end up taking the PIL right away.
No such thing in BR. I have direct report a week away from completion of pip and HR very clear it’s my decision. My manager also not providing any such direction.