Thread regarding IBM layoffs

SeekingAlpha - IBM: Dead Dinosaurs Can't Dance

Ouch! :-o

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4466347-ibm-dead-dinosaurs-cant-dance

"Revealing a Rotten Core

In total, this paints a damning picture. IBM has been keeping the stock "alive" and somewhat propped up with buybacks, but even that hasn't worked as I've clearly shown in some simple charts above.

What's worse, is that I've also shown how the "juicy dividend" has lulled investors into complacency, and even living off of the hope of a brighter future. But, the dividend growth is slowing down. It's clear as day. And, it's getting worse, as you can see with the relentless growth in IBM's payout ratio.

Quick Sidebar on Kyndryl

This article is about IBM. The idea is simple. Revenue isn't growing. And, we see that any money being made is just pouring into buybacks and the dividend, all the while, the core business is stagnating and dying. Financial engineering is being used to attract and "stick" income investors who are at a growing risk. Just look at the financial engineering and the payout ratio.

Adding it all up, this is a company without any soul. There's no true innovation. No spark. No real emotion, or energy, or anything that's truly compelling to me. It all feels like a stillborn baby dinosaur.

Wrap Up

I'm bearish on IBM. I've been entirely disappointed with the business for years. I've given them plenty of time to turn things around but leadership hasn't turned things around.

As I've clearly indicated, revenues continue to decline. Earnings per share also keeps going down. At the same time, buybacks are burning cash while hardly providing any real support or improvement in the stock price. Lord only knows what the stock would look like without that financial engineering.

Furthermore, while the dividend is juicy, dividend growth is slowing down. Sure, the dividend is "high" and that yield keeps moving upwards. But, that's largely because of two factors.

+ First, the stock price keeps dropping, so that obviously pushes up the yield. It means a capital loss over time, while dividends go up.
+ Second, the yield is getting a bit top heavy, given the payout ratio. So, while revenue is going down, IBM is pushing a larger and larger fraction into dividends.

Finally, I'm not enchanted with KD. It looks like a baby dinosaur that is already on the way down and out. And, it's not just me. The market doesn't like this weak spinoff either. The horrific price action clearly shows that investors aren't fooled. It's not stable yet. Who knows when it'll reach bottom.

To be absolutely clear, I'm not recommending any kind of shorting. However, these two companies are not worth holding for the long term. Adding it all up, IBM is a sell and KD is a sell. "

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Hostile takeover time. Enjoy working for Wipro!

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Post ID: @3mcm+1dHnd9Vd

Prof svcs companies usually trade around 1.5X revenue. Maybe a little less for lower end commodity services. But trading at 0.24X revenue means market expects revenues to decline, a lot.

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Post ID: @2hjx+1dHnd9Vd

Dropped another 12% today now less than $21 a share, How can they only have a 4.6B market cap when they project 19 Billion in revenue? Other tech companies stock is as high as a 20 times revenue. What happens when kyndryl hits zero?

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Post ID: @2pho+1dHnd9Vd

Stock is getting hammered because Wall St wants to see top line revenue growth for IBM overall. Not revenue growth for made up segments like Strategic Imperatives or Hybrid Cloud. Not non-GAAP pro forma EPS minus one time non-recurring charges that recur every quarter. Not BS about how IBM is transforming itself (for the last 10 years).

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Post ID: @2rda+1dHnd9Vd

So the executives Restricted Stock Units converted at about 4.475 KD shares per IBM share. If you take the current KD stock price (about $21/share), that equates to an IBM stock price of about $94.00. Everyone, even the executives, are getting hammered here.

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Post ID: @2wmc+1dHnd9Vd

IBM spent more than a year on another giant financial engineering project - i.e. the Kyndryl Holdings, Inc. spinoff. So much time, brainpower, energy, money, resources, etc. wasted on something that is now driving down the value of both companies - Wall Street is not falling for these shenanigans this time, and possibly never again. Even for seriously interested investors, there is still so much uncertainty about what the split means - which customers will go to which company, and how many customers will leave forever.

While IBM was busy treading water and doing all this, the entire tech industry (which no longer includes IBM) was booming to all-time highs.

Whose brilliant idea was all this?

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Post ID: @2scw+1dHnd9Vd

After years of wait, could this be the Kodak moment ? (yes Kodak died)

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Post ID: @2yur+1dHnd9Vd

IBM is such a sad tale. Once one of America's great companies, now people call it a "dead dinosaur".

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Post ID: @1cwh+1dHnd9Vd

As of today (11/8/21), this is the 52 Week Range for Kyndryl stock (it's trading at $23.91 right now):

"52 Week Range 23.85 - 52.00"

Gee, impressive. Also note that it's only been trading FOR THREE DAYS! It dropped from $52 to $23.85 ... IN THREE DAYS!!!

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Post ID: @1swm+1dHnd9Vd

Thank goodness I diversified my portfolio and sold 50% of my IBM shares and purchased KD.

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Post ID: @1eub+1dHnd9Vd

Yes the market cap and stock price should be lower, BUT the street has determined IBM spun off 19 billion in revenue, but zero in profit. Thus empty calories

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Post ID: @fwq+1dHnd9Vd

I don’t understand why IBM has the same market cap and stock price after the spin off. Shouldn’t it be lower?

I also don’t understand why KD’s market cap is just 6B. Wasn’t it supposed to be 19B? Insane.

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Post ID: @elt+1dHnd9Vd

Yahoo Finance lists Kyndryl's "Market Capitalization" at just $5.866B

... for reference: DXC = $8.648B; Wipro = $49.007B; InfoSys = $96.136B; Accenture = $232.734B

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Post ID: @chm+1dHnd9Vd

IBM will have to take a big loss (billions?) when we sell our 20% KD holdings. But hey, that's a year away before Wall Street will notice.

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Post ID: @nbd+1dHnd9Vd

Kyndryl will find a bottom, BUT it’s just not here. IBM holds 20% of the outstanding stock, and they have said they will sell it over the next year. Who wants to invest in a commodity labor stock that has that kind of selling pressure on it. Kyndryl is dead money for at least 24 months. Their only way out is if one of the smaller players wants to get bigger

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Post ID: @htq+1dHnd9Vd

It sounds like Kyndryl doesn't have much of a future either.

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Post ID: @rnj+1dHnd9Vd

IBM is dead money. One day the stock price will just drop to the abyss. There are plenty of other better companies to invest in.

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Post ID: @kjd+1dHnd9Vd

I also find it interesting how nearly all of IBM's stock buy-backs were at a HIGHER stock price than the current stock price ... which means that IBM squared BILLIONS of dollars on that financial engineering scheme ... for nothing (except to enable the executives to achieve their bonuses, of course)

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Post ID: @ioe+1dHnd9Vd

Well that's encouraging :-/

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