Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

All together

We are all in this together. Vaxxed or not we have a common issue. We have poor leadership.

Too many LRs, open and stealth. Poor to no raises. Cronyism. Perception based decisions instead of actual performance. Toxic workplace in many areas. Unequal pay.

Ultimately, we all have far more in common than our differences.

Consider walk outs. Consider challenging leadership with every and any LEGAL method. Consider a union of sorts. We have far more power than many realize.

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Post ID: @OP+1dIlnjwP

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A corporation might be considered a "union" representing Wall Street interests. Numerous companies unified into a Corporation to eliminate competition and improve bargaining power.

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Post ID: @1dqp+1dIlnjwP

"I loved the comment "replace American workers with H1 B workers". It should really read "replace American workers with cheaper, better qualified workers". Now it makes sense....unless you are an expensive American worker of course."

You are a bigot.

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Post ID: @1lng+1dIlnjwP

I loved the comment "replace American workers with H1 B workers". It should really read "replace American workers with cheaper, better qualified workers". Now it makes sense....unless you are an expensive American worker of course.

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Post ID: @1xns+1dIlnjwP

"Union is not for intellectual workers, union companies like detroit companies are much much worse, x100."

The biggest unions in the US today are public sector union, designed to protect employees from the people they vote for, that also control the unions employees.

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Post ID: @1lui+1dIlnjwP

Sigh....

"Consider a union OF SORTS" OF SORTS.

There are many kinds of employee groups (and many are called unions) that are not like the ones some of you must be thinking of.

How about I just say "employee group." Is that better?

Of course the kind that exist in auto plants and so forth would not be useful or appropriate. But one that advocates for the wellbeing of employees would be appropriate. He-l, call it a lobby group even.

Miss The Forest For The Trees.

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Post ID: @1jwt+1dIlnjwP

Union is not for intellectual workers, union companies like detroit companies are much much worse, x100.

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Post ID: @1emv+1dIlnjwP

@smg+1dIlnjwP respectfully disagree. We have spent over a decade paying down the technical and organizational debt created in the late 90s/early 00s.

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Post ID: @kyl+1dIlnjwP

Cisco's success over the last decade is simply due to their long-term momentum in the networking space. The culture actually disincentivizes innovation and technical leadership.

It is what it is. You either want to be a part of the brain dead collective that sells and markets the innovation created by Cisco in the late 90s/early 00s, or you want to work in a company that is actually innovating and creating valuable solutions to customer business problems.

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Post ID: @smg+1dIlnjwP

"Union??"

Cisco compensates and promotes leaders based on their ability to exploit people.

  • Outsource jobs to countries without labor laws... VP gets promoted to SVP
  • Replace American engineers with engineers on H1-B visa... Sr. Director gets promoted to VP
  • Layoff full-time employees and replace them with temp workers without health insurance... Director gets promoted to Sr Director

A union would be a huge headache for Cisco's cost-cutting strategic initiatives.

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Post ID: @vfb+1dIlnjwP

"Cisco seems to acquire almost randomly based on questionable advice, hoping whatever acquisition du jour is going to stick."

Why would a startup with growth potential sell to Cisco? Google, Microsoft, Apple, Salesforce, Amazon, and even SAP... Cisco acquires companies that are of little interest to other companies.

Startup founders don't want Cisco stock, or be associated with the Cisco brand

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Post ID: @pnm+1dIlnjwP

All together..perhaps we are..but the moment one sees applying Godwins law on a public broadcast. I would be tempted to say we are all in it. Some folks, together with the "reply to all" should not be considered part of the company.

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Post ID: @mwm+1dIlnjwP

It is your life. Take a deep breath and take a chance. Sell your ESSP and RSUs, punt, and go find something else. You will be much happier.

18 year ex-blue badge, out now for three and much happier.

Take charge of yourself. Take a chance. Can always come back.

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Post ID: @god+1dIlnjwP

Union?? Wow, never heard that one. It usually comes from someone not wanting to work or someone that has never been around a union. Not that cisco has been innovating in years but you can bet there is zero chance of that changing with a union. Also, you can forget about getting ahead. No chance there as you are let go based on when you came in. If someone had previously done the job you are in they generally bump down so your predecessor could end back up in your role and you be out the door. There is nothing good about unions in an IT environment. Zero.

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Post ID: @sip+1dIlnjwP

@oxv+1dIlnjwP "we need a technical CEO"

No, that alone won't do anything. Too many things must change. Most ELT members are totally out of touch with modern IT trends and are just operations people. None of the ELT members come from truly game-changing or influencial companies. Cisco needs a profound culture change to become what it once was. Cisco is too risk averse; it's content with just running the business. Cisco seems to acquire almost randomly based on questionable advice, hoping whatever acquisition du jour is going to stick. If it doesn't stick, which is more often the case than not, then just repeat the process till one acquisition grows the revenue. There's simply no global long-term vision. The ELT's mission is to convince shareholders Cisco turned into a software company.

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Post ID: @kej+1dIlnjwP

Cisco only exists to please shareholders by generating just enough profit one quarter at a time. Going through LRs during profitable years goes to show Cisco only cares about its financial outlook. I have witnessed the progressive annihilation of what used to be a pretty good corporate culture. There's no turning back with the current ELT.

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Post ID: @guw+1dIlnjwP

A technical CEO will not transform the culture of a 30 year old company. Cisco sells & markets networking equipment. That's not going to change.

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Post ID: @kxk+1dIlnjwP

We need a technical CEO. Maybe from outside.

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Post ID: @oxv+1dIlnjwP

100%. Cisco leadership has been causing the company to degrade for some time and then gets mad at employees for now speaking their minds.

They are now trying to silence us. Don't let them!

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