Any new news on Ford vaccine mandates?
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Already posted.
Pfizer jab is soooo safe they need to wait 55 years.
The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. That is not a typo. It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-wants-until-2076-fully-release-pfizer-vaccine-data-lawsuit
Must be nice to have immunity - from lawsuits resulting from damage from a product that is... Why doesn't Ford have that type of immunity? Hmmm. Need better lobbyists perhaps...
@2ddj+1dQ2zs9W, some of us did tell them that it wasn't their business at the time and continued to maintain that stance. Hopefully most people who also feel this way indicated so via email or other written means in order to create a paper trail that can be used later as appropriate if needed.
If only “ it’s none of your business” applied to the demand back in October that you supply your vaccination status.
And yet one side is famous for doxxing people they don’t agree with and see no problem with releasing all sorts of private information
One has to wonder how vehemently opposed they would be if you couldn’t have an abhortion (sic) unless you were vaccinated. Perfectly fine to keep people from getting kidney transplants though.
Starting to make its way to MSM..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osha-suspends-enforcement-of-covid-19-vaccine-for-large-businesses
And to too it off they drop all this during annual benefits election
"The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine."
@2qey+1dQ2zs9W Pi-s off. It’s true, it’s hardly mentioned anywhere. The only reason it was covered in any Ford plus meeting is because someone asked a question about it. And even then it was barely addressed. And you definitely can’t find much about it on the Ford Internet. There was no ticker article on it like there normally is for anything else that’s of importance. All you can find is the Covid reporting tool portal and maybe some FAQs, that’s it, nobody discusses this, nobody mentions it anywhere. Nobody’s asking to know what the statuses of everyone, it’s just very odd and strange that something that’s going to get you fired if you don’t comply to it is barely discussed. If you don’t think that’s strange, you’re probably the one who is in charge of implementing this totalitarian process
It was communicated by Company wide email. It was discussed during Ford plus. You can read about it on Ford's internal website.
What more do you need to know? Do you want to be told who has and hasn't responded to the survey? Who has or hasn't been vaccinated? What people wrote in their exemption requests? What reply they recieved? It is none of your business.
Anyone else find it funny that there is absolutely zero mention of this mandate in any capacity while we are working? They may skim over it in a Townhall, but I can’t believe the lack of discussion, transparency, etc. The only reason we know about it is because of the emails that have come out, otherwise we would never have heard about it. I don’t really understand it. I mean they just go on with business like none of this is even occurring. All this shady behavior by the leadership leaves little to be desired.
Osha suspends and employee's are ready to bring lawsuits if forced.
I hope the OSHA suspension is the catalyst for people to start telling Brandon Incorporated to stuff it.
Yes , the OSHA order has been suspended. Let’s see if leftists adhere to their usual response of threatening to ki-l the judges.
I agree about the loss of talent and their approach to it , but all they care about is saving money and being “ socially aware “
You would think after being around his uncle , father , Peterson , Poling , Caldwell , and Mulally some leadership skills would have rubbed off on Bill.
@1css+1dQ2zs9W I disagree. Ford management don't have a clue of the actual costs of replacing and training an employee. They believe that in Engineering, Operations and Design, they can replace one worker with another one, like in the assembly line.
Not only doing the Stupid RD proves what I am saying, but the idea of bringing FCGs to replace experienced employees, the idea in the future of not having employees for more than 10 years, the idea of outsourcing many jobs to India and Mexico, all point to lack of understanding of what talent really is and why is needed.
https://ohsonline.com/articles/2021/11/17/osha-suspends-ets.aspx?m=1
Alex Berenson and Epoch Times are reporting that OSHA has suspended enforcement of the mandate and if your employer says they are doing it because of the feds then they are LYING.
The only thing I disagree with is them not having a clue about where the unvaxxed work. They know full well who they are potentially losing and know what it will cost to replace them. In the case of engineering it will be a distribution of tasks within the company. For operations , agency people, outsourcing , or supplier responsibility.
Bottom line , it’s the bottom line. While I’d like to see some kind of compromise, I agree with others that they won’t back down unless they are given a face saving way out if it.
I don't think 5,000 will be cut. Some will get medical or religious exemptions. Some will get vaccinated.
From what I read about airline and hospital workers, many who were terminated were clerical or what we in the auto industry would call unskilled labor. Very few with high paying jobs had to be cut.
My guess is most people will want to hang on to their job and of the remainder who won't comply, they may be retirement eligible or have one foot out the door anyway.
Brain drain is always a threat. We lost good people after the Great Recession and SRD but Ford survived.
If you think Ford will back down, they won't. People who have tried to sue airline and hospitals have lost. Don't play chicken with you livelihood unless you are truly ready to lose.
For once, Ford tried to be something other than a fast follower. But in typical Ford fashion, management incompetence is going to do more harm than good. If Ford terminates the roughly 5k people who are unvaxxed (regardless of accommodation status), it will be a short-sighted, self inflicted wound. Sure, the financials will look great,, but what about the brain drain? I don't think they have a clue where these unvaxxed people work and they could potentially lose entire areas if they broadly let people go. As we saw with smart redesign, it was more d-mb than smart. Letting 5k people go would be an even worse blow to a company that is already in a death spiral.
I’ve talked to some lawyers, and they are very interested to talk to Ford people. Reason - they think this will all go bust, because it will never make it to the Supreme Court, if if the President pushes it.. they will refuse to hear it because not only it is so radioactive, if could also be used later (if Supreme courts strikes it down) to challenge other Presidential mandates and executive orders. They don’t even think the White House would do that for fear of screwing themselves later; they think it will stay at circuit court and the mandate will die there.
If that happens, then you better believe that lawsuit sac will start flowing at that point, even with Ty h Ed federal contractor rules - lawyer j talked to saying Ford can’t use that as a blanket to cover all or most employees, is supposed be tied to specific Government contracts. Not possible given all the other business we are in with various entities. Think that is also why GM did not go down this path , as they have government work, too., but much non-government work.
It does not matter what other companies are doing. It does not matter who said there would not be a mandate. It does no matter if you think the vaccine is ineffective or COVID is not harmful. If does not matter if you agree with Ford's decision. If you are not vaccinated or request an exemption by the deadline, Ford will put you on a 30 day unpaid leave and after the 30 days, you will no longer be employed at Ford.
Speaking of ignoring , the video on the home page with the most thumbs up and comments is one about dog rescue
The usual stream of propaganda usually gets less than 5. People are tuning out.
The mandate for federal contractors was released after they knew how many companies would buy into it. Before that both Biden and Pelosi publicly said there would be no mandate to be vaccinated.
Companies are ignoring the mandate.
Yes. Sort of like villages in Viet Nam , they have to destroy you to save you.
It looks like Americans need to cross the border to Mexico to escape Washington Policies. English Empire is good at dividing people...they have done it for century :) Now they want us to colonize MARS so be prepared to get a seat on Mars with SpaceX or Blue Origin lol. Let's leave all of earth to Billionaires only :) And the educated slaves can just get any jab and eat beyond meat because we are lucky to have job. Slavery Still Exists in 21st Century.
So let me get this straight. I may loose my job because I am unwilling to get a jab with something that won't protect me from a disease that won't ki-l me? Seriously?
The rules for employers with over 100 employers do not matter. Ford is following the Federal contractor rules. You still need to get vaxed or apply for an exemption before the deadline or you'll get a 30 unpaid leave and the probably terminated. If you want to keep your job, you need to meet Ford's requirement. While you can complain or hope the requirement goes away, you need to face reality and decide if you still want to work at Ford.
Here is my guess as to what will happen next.
First off, my guess is that the circuit court ruling - which sets the precedent ruling for the entire country - will not be challenged. The status as I understand it is that the Supreme Court has time reserved in later Nov to hear the appeal of the circuit ruling if someone wants to appeal it.
Because the judge ruled the mandate was NOT legal or enforceable the only option for Biden is to appeal it the Supreme Court. I do NOT think he will do this. If Biden appeals the ruling and it goes to the Supreme Court, he will likely fail and the ruling will be upheld. Also, and this is big, it would totally eliminate Biden's ability to enforce the mandate since the Supreme Court found his mandate illegal. Biden's advisors know they will lose, and won't force the issue. This would be a massive blow to Biden.
I do however think that Billy will take it upon himself to enforce a mandate and I highly suspect Biden will strong-arm CEOs to enforce a mandate. I think Biden and the woke CEOs will just push the mandate as a company policy. I THINK Billy will announce some BS attempt to mandate the vax in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
I would't expect to hear anything new or different from Ford until the next relevation in national news comes around. Ford wants to keep the money from the gov't rolling in, so will be happy to be a toady if they need to. If the stay on the OSHA regulations is made permanent, and the Federal contractor guidelines are struck down on the same principles we'll see Ford try to ignore that they tried to play this game.