Young people who keep complaining about HON keep forgetting one important fact: you are the ones who chose to work here in the first place. It was your doing. I'm not saying HON is great today and shouldn't be called out on its cr-p. But every one of you also could have done more due diligence before joining and realized what kind of place you were joining. When I joined, this was a good company. When you joined, everybody already knew it was cr-p. Everybody but you. One reason why nothing is changing is that people keep joining, so they can keep laying off and firing people without any concerns for the future. I keep hoping hiring will slow down, but it's not happening. If people paid more attention, maybe it would and things could change.
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Trying to be divisive along generational lines is not going to solve anything. That kind of talk is meant to distract the general population from discussing more important issues such as the scarcity of good paying jobs that don't work you to the bone, or work you around the clock, often with unpaid overtime. Here are some things to consider of why we are in this situation collectively, regardless of what generation you are from:
- - As an investor, there are very few reasons to hire American anymore if you can pay ten times less for a person overseas to do the same thing.
- - Similarly, there are very few reasons to hire human beings anymore if you just automate with machinery, computers, etc. Machines don't need a salary, health insurance, or 401k. They don't get tired or injured and they don't need breaks.
- - Another factor is the constant influx of individuals who are working here under a sponsored visa. The company has these people by the ba--s so they often work harder, for longer hours, but for lower pay. When the company can take advantage of folks like this then it is a no-brainer. Why would they want to pay more for a domestic individual who is less exploitable and who is more likely to fight back?
Collectively the factors mentioned above means that there is a scarcity of good jobs so companies know they can pressure people to work harder and harder but for less and less pay. The scarcity of good jobs also means that there are far fewer opportunities to switch to like in decades past. Think about it.
@jfa+1dWu7SyJ; "And you older, graybeards could leave as well."
We already have, but the hundreds, if not thousands, by RIFs or retirement. We only come back here to hear the unfortunates still here bellyache. We built this company. Let's see how you young'uns do.
Nah. Short of being able to interrogate employees, it isn't easy for a prospective hire to fully vet a company. Not everyone knows about this website. Why would they? On the other hand, any new grad hire who stays longer than three years, after figuring out this company, is lazy or a glutton for punishment.
Great. More useless gaslighting of the younger generation.
First off Glassdoor and Indeed, which are sites that most people turn to for company review information, are mostly useless. Most people don't know it but those two sites are owned by the same parent company. They make their money not on employee type folks but by selling premium subscriptions to corporate entities so that they can better "manage" the information that is presented on the site. It is therefore very common for especially damaging reviews to be aggressively contested by the affected corporate entity through these premium subscription channels. Often they try to make the case that the post broke some mundane rule and therefore should be removed despite it providing vital information to the general public regarding the company's behavior towards its employees. If that does not work then they have a team of HR goons who will drown out the negative feedback by posting short but continuous trains of glowing reviews so that the negative ones get pushed further and further to the bottom of the page to dilute them and make them less noticeable. This is how they keep overall scores in acceptable ranges.
So whats the bottom line? Looks like free speech isn't good for profits and the bottom line. It's all about pay to play now. They need a constant influx of people who have not been tipped off to the disgusting truth behind that red curtain. Thats the only way to keep the gravy flowing towards wall street.
Another piece of the recruiting misrepresenatation is that HW uses third-party recruiters. While they have to be aware of some internal problems, they don't experience them at the visceral level that employees do. Therefore they are better able to serve their client with fewer pregnant pauses and obviously guarded responses than employees in an interview setting, and just paint the picture they've been advised to paint.
Does anyone else find it amusing about a post complaining about other people complaining?
OP, I'm so glad I don't know you.
Another facet of the problem is the fact that HW actively culls unflattering reviews on Glassdoor and other job sites. Plus, most people who post here do not identify their SBG unless it's Aero, so when I checked here before signing on with a different SBG, it seemed as if the problems were all in Aero...and it still comes across that way.
So don't blame us for falling for the orchestrated misrepresentation that is HW recruiting.
And I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you older, graybeards could leave as well.
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