You all do realize that when they terminate the unvaxxed people there is no sub pay or unemployment right? Make sure you have enough money set aside to hold you over until you find a new job. Stay strong and don’t cave in to the tyranny! For the people that are getting vaxxed for the sole purpose of keeping their job, just remember you could be in the next batch of layoffs after taking the forced vaccine.
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What liability? Nobody can require anybody to use their common sense and get a vaccine. Nobody can dictate policy to our employer either. We are free to search for a job which does not require the Vax. Nothing stops the bank from wanting employees with common sense. We are not indentured servants here.
The Bank is doing the right thing for its people by intelligently weighing the issues and keeping employee health as a top priority in this pandemic. BNY understands it’s obligation to provide a safe workplace for all.
BNY offers employment at will for both parties. BNY can drop you tomorrow for any reason or none at all, just as you can quit for any reason or none at all. Either side can drop the other gracefully or hard, depending the reason. Refusing to Vax is your right and getting terminated hard for it is their right. Likewise you can walk out flashing the bird in mid meeting but don’t expect severance but you might expect some clawback of money’s that you’ve long ago spent.
Adults whom do not understand rights and responsibilities eventually learn about them the hard way. We all do, usually as teenagers, but the permanent adolescents seem to have found a nome here.
LEAVE ANYWAY!! The company sucks and you'll eventually get let go anyway.
The government has no business pushing a vax mandate on these businesses and the businesses have no business 'enforcing ' it. Its discrimatory, plain and simple and they are not taking into account that the vax does not prevent spread, natural immunity, personal risk versus reward assessment, etc.
Wake up people - J & J employees, members of congress, judges, certain moderna employees, cdc employees, etc all are exempt.
If Bnym was the only business in the country to seek employment then I would consider your argument of it being force. But since that is certainly not the case, then your argument of force literally holds zero merit since there is choice involved on employment. Also please enlighten me on even 1 company where shareholders vote on operating policies??
Funniest part of this argument is I’m not even vaxed, I’m just not delusional to think that the world should bow to me and my personal desires which is extremely liberal. Sorry libs, I can appreciate some of your points but the PC cr-p needs to end. I have to make the same decision to get jabbed or leave. It’s called life. The world doesn’t just bow to you because you want it to.
@fmyz, where do you draw the line? Can they only hire men? Whites? Straight people? Democrats? Can they force employees to reveal who they voted for? What about fat people, can they have a weight requirement? Can they force you to work for $1 per hour? And did shareholder vote on this policy?
@eqzb, EMPLOYEES are being forced. If you don't take the juice, you're no longer an employee.
Take the vax itself out of the equation, should businesses be able to set policies and standards for their own business, yes or no. Because thats the real argument here. It doesn't matter if its a vax, dress code or whatever else. Are you saying a place of business should not have the right to set what they feel are best practices for their business?
I love how people try to pretend the vax prevents the spread of covid.
BTW - it works so good, you now need a THIRD!
wake up
I love how the the entitled claim this is being forced. Nobody is forcing anyone, people have the choice to find another job that doesn't require it. People on these boards time and again are saying there are plenty of jobs ripe for the picking. Nobody is holding someone down physically and giving them the jab, that would be forced. For the record, i support the rights of both the people to choose what they put in their body as well as the rights of any business small or large to create policies they feel are in the best interest of their business. If I owned a business and felt certain policies were in the best interest to its success, i would institute them as well. Not everyone would agree with them and people that did would apply, others that don't wouldn't, and i would respect that. They have to look out for them and I for my business. How is this any different. Everyone on here would do the same if they were a business owner. Set policies you feel are in your best interest....pretty simple concept.....
@djtu, funny that you support a policy to FORCE employees to inject something into their bodies that they cannot undo then have the nerve to accuse others of going to extremes.
Amazing how the the powers to be have separated people on this topic. The psych warfare they have committed on the World is remarkable. I predict they will fire all unvaxxed. Lots of vaxxed will continue to get sick from the clot shot and blame the unvaxxed; egged on by politicians, health bureaucrats and technocratic fascists billionaires, their hatred will grow. Society will continue to fail and disintegrate. Then they will clamor to remove the unvaxxed from society...concentration camps. In the camps, they will be re-educated, mu---red and experimented on. Depop will be achieved...vaxxed or unvaxxed will not matter.
@dubb
Really??? I mean i really don't care one way or the other but saying no pay for not following a policy set firth by the company is not the same thing as pointing a g-n at someone. Why are there always people that go to extremes...... the one thing i will agree with in this whole conversation is people have the right to choose to get jabbed or not as they should. I also agree that if a company sets a policy, employees have 2 options, comply or leave. I don't agree with 90% of policies this place has since they make no sense but i comply since i need a job. I may not like it but thats life, i have the freedom to look elsewhere if i want. This comes down to people not wanting to be told what to do. If the company set a policy of not needing to be vax, the vaxed would be up in arms and would be given the same options. If you don't like the policies go look elsewhere. I don't understand how this is such a hard concept to grasp. I am hearing there are loads of jobs out there for the picking......
Really, @coxt??? Could the bank ask you to stand up and let someone point a prop-g-n at you?
Nor should there be Sub pay for those let go for not getting the vax. People have the right to refuse the Vax. Corporations have the right to set requirements for their employees. Either side can can terminate at will.
Ignore the scare tactics. These exact same threat messages appear on every single banks layoff message boards. These boards are meant to scare you into taking the vax. Full stop.
Maybe the company doesn't feel these employees refusing are their best? Trying to figure out their logic if there is any to begin with.
Terminating employees who refuse to get vaccinated is accomplishing the exact opposite of the intention of the mandate which is to protect the workplace. If you loose your best employees because of the mandate, and you cant get them back, well then what have you really accomplished?
No sub pay means no signing away our right to poach other employees, make disparaging comments, suing for discrimination etc, etc.
@rdp research mRNA vaccines. That’s the issue with this one. Not the speed at which it was developed. Find another successful human mRNA vaccine. I’ll wait. Didn’t find one did you? Coercion is not consent. Forcing this vaccine on people for a virus so dangerous you have to be tested to know you have it… give me a break.
@1jae it’s fact. No employment because they liken it to failing a dr-g test and not ‘obeying’ the company’s rules. Same with those healthcare workers - no unemployment for them either. And the sub pay is only for people that are laid off… not fired
Is this a fact or a presumption?
I got vaxed and was shown the door anyway!
@gdt.
Why are forced vaccinations the correct level "rightful" protection??? If they're so concerned about protecting employees, let them work from home. But I guess having vaccinated workers in close contact with each other is ok if our "protectors" think it will increase profits.
But the bottom line is, there is hardly ANY risk to a vaccinated person.
It's scary that we have co-workers who have the intelligence level to think others need to be vaccinated to protect them. I'm vaccinated and I don't care if anyone else is!
Well they can’t force you to inject a vaccine into your any arm any more than you can force them to keep you on when you flout Job requirements and ignore personable responsibility. It’s simple… and there are plenty of rational people who would love to work here.
it's scary that we have co-workers who have the intelligence level of a fox news conspiracy talk show host.
Regardless on opinion of the vaccine, a lot of people are complaining about it being rushed. Do people realize scientists have been studying coronaviruses for roughly 20 years now? Sars was a coronavirus as well albeit less contagious as far as im aware. So it isn't like this was an overnight thing like a lot if people think. There was just a he-l of a lot more money thrown at this one to try and stop it which is why they were able to develop it so quickly. Not to say its perfect but they aren't flying blind either with developing the jabs that have come out.
@hbr,
That is a nonsensical false equivalency. You're comparing OSHA regulations to a private employer's rightful choice to protect their employees. Again it's all about choice. There countless jobs that have a level of physical risk to them that no matter the number of safety precautions some people will never do no matter the salary. That's their choice. You don't want a perfectly safe vaccine? Fine. Leave that company that's mandating it. That's your choice. People like you love to cite their "rights". Well guess what? All of your co-workers have a right to their health not being threatened by someone who's scared of a perfectly safe vaccine. Or are you just scared of the needle?
Your analogies are literally upside down wrong. Coming to an office unvaccinated is like waving your running chainsaw around, while pushing your coworkers off the roof.
Vaccines - if it’s good enough for the military fighting in real wars, it should be good enough for you couch flying culture warriors.
@tud,
Your employer can't insist you to climb on a roof without fall protection or use a saw with a broken guard. So why do you think they should be able to force you to inject anything in your body that you don't want to?
I can see the censorship thugs haven't all seen this post yet. Give it to the end of the day (sometime after their latest Marxist update meeting) . By then, this comment should be cancelled and all the other comments they don't like will have have 50 down arrows each!
good. if you dont want to help herd immunity efforts and be just done with this he-l then dont expect people to help you.
NY State is an "at will" state. That means you work at the will of your employer. So if your employer institutes a vaccination requirement that you refuse to comply with, you can be fired with cause. That means you are not entitled to SUB pay or unemployment insurance payments. The fairness of any situation rests solely on whether or not you';re being given a choice in the matter. If a person chooses to hold fast to their so-called principles, then that's the benefit they receive. They're not entitled to anything further. See if you can pay your grocery bills or mortgage with "personal liberty".
Was that recently announced? Curious to know how they think that it would be fair.