I see these occasionally and had always assumed that they weren't honest postings, but just wondering if anyone has the inside scoop?
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Most positions hire a pre-selected external candidate the manager knows. Often it’s a contractor they want to convert full time.
Then they interview internal candidates later. They also inform the internal candidate’s current manager so they can retaliate later and take it as a personal betrayal.
There is a cap for the number of applicants.
@1ech+1dvvrvfx I suggest you retake the Wells Fargo antiharassment develop you training again. You failed again and again and again (or you just flat out lied the entire time). Don't be petty. You make this world a worse place being petty.
Wait, are you saying that finding a job in a lot of cases is about who you know? This is groundbreaking news!!!
Not at all. The point being , there were other candidates that had better skills to do that job than who was ultimately hired.
Wait, are you saying that finding a job in a lot of cases is about who you know? This is groundbreaking news!!!
@1per+1dvvrvfx purposely not inviting people is harassment. Uncool.
Yeah, that is so uncool. What was I thinking? Utter harassement. Oh please.
If your going to have your nose firmly up a mgr's *** and openly display that type of behavior to the rest of the team do you really think you are going to be trusted with anything without fear of it getting back to said mgr? There was more than one instance where there were subtle repercussions to our team that were traced back to this person. I'm talking about that person's interpretation of problems and issues on our team, blowing things out of perportion, and opined everything to this mgr and he/she believed only this person. I guarantee you, if you pull that stuff your going to get stiff-armed and shutout. You have to play nice with people in order for them to work with you.
max # of applicants most likely
One of the negative changes to the hiring process was when they stopped allowing peer reviewing of candidates. Who can better evaluate a candidate's skills and personality for a fit than those who'd end up being their peers?
It's been awhile since I posted a position but in the past, the openings have to be open a minimum of 5 days or 40 (or 80?) applicants.
@1per+1dvvrvfx purposely not inviting people is harassment. Uncool.
The WF interview and hiring process was designed to be legally bulletproof but does a terrible job of vetting potential hires with the limited “tell me about a time” bs questions. As such, most meaningful hiring discussions happen outside the formal interview process and for many 6 figure positions the candidate is selected before the posting goes up. Other areas may differ, but in the Commercial Bank if you don’t personally know the hiring manager and get ASKED to apply it’s largely a waste of time on these 5-day postings. HR is broken like much of WF.
Yes. Those postings are just a formality. They are often written to be so specific that only the pre-selected candidate matches. Indeed, the pre-selected candidate's resume is often used as the template for the formal job posting's description.
Full Disclosure: that's how I got hired. /serious
i know in the old days, if they wanted to flip a contractor to FTE, they still had to post position. Not sure if that still happens,
Yes. Usually that happens when they find someone they like and that person demands a higher salary. Therefore, they reopen it at a higher job level for 1 week because the company is suppose to field internal candidates first but they don't have a chance.
About 10 years or so ago, our team had a posting that was announced and to go apply if it interested our team. We were going through some re-orgs at the time and had a Wachovia mgr. Several folks who we thought would be good fit didnt even get a chance to apply. It was promotion type position that lasted for 1 day then poof, it was gone.
After a while the person who got the job was revealed and lo and behold, the person who got it was a Wachovia person who worked for this manager prior to the merger.
These two were always together; in meetings, in projects, smoke breaks, even when they went to the bathroom. I kid you not, that actually was the thing for them. They would step out and have mini conferences so the manager would be informed of what they needed to do. We used to watch them. Long story short, the manager wanted to keep this person so he/she would not get reorged out of a job which would have happend at the time. Once we caught wind of all this the manager flat out said that the job was created just for this person and that was that. It p***ed off alot of us and it was one of those signs that things are going backwards with that kind of nepotism. We never included that person in alot of our activites unless we had to going forward.
The last position I got was only posted for 5 days. I did not know anyone and got the job, so it doesn't necessarily mean they have a candidate in mind. Good luck!
If that was the case, I don't think it would be up for a full week. I've seen some only up for three days
No, the worst they can do to you is offer you a position.
Apply outside this putrid fishtank
It could be any number of things. They might expect several people to apply or have a strong candidate in mind so they'll just put it out there for a week.
It really doesn't matter. If you see something that suits you, apply. The worst they can do is say no (or just not say anything for months which happened to me this year).
Sometimes that's the case - I did that once when I had a preferred candidate but needed to post the role (I think it was even less than a week.) In other cases it's because we don't want too many outside candidates to post, and still for others it's for the reason cited below - the cap got hit triggering the accelerated cutoff.
HR has always tried to act like nobody knew it, but that's the minimum they have to post it in order to look objective. Which means they probably already know who they want.
OP here. Just to clarify, I meant postings where the expiration date is set within one week from the start of the posting, not postings that are quickly taken down because they've reached an applicant cap.
@fqn+1dvvrvfx they actually review the applications.
So the next posting i’m interested in, create a script to submit 99 other entries. Got it!
No, not necessarily. Many of the positions have a cap of 100 applicants. The posting comes down when the cap is met.