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IBM Completes Its Spinoff of Kyndryl Next Week. Markets Are Underwhelmed.

Stifel analyst David Grossman pointed out in a research note on Kyndryl’s recent
meeting for investors that the company doesn’t expect any revenue growth before
2025, with potential continued contraction until then. And the presentation notes
there won’t be any cash flow in the near term to return to shareholders.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . . .

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ibm-stock-spinoff-kyndryl-51635366192
By: Eric J. Savitz Oct. 27, 2021 4:24 pm ET

IBM ‘s pending spinoff of Kyndryl, a gigantic provider of managed IT services, will be completed next week. But Kyndryl shares are already trading on a “when issued” basis, providing an early look at how investors will value the business.

Terms call for IBM to issue its shareholders one Kyndryl share for every IBM share outstanding. The spin will initially cover 80.1% of Kyndryl’s shares, with IBM planning to swap the rest of the stock for outstanding IBM debt at some point in the next 12 months. In a recent presentation to investors, Kyndryl said the company will have 223 million shares outstanding after the spinoff. With the stock trading at $33.40 on a when-issued basis, that implies a valuation for Kyndryl of $7.4 billion. In comparison, pre-spin IBM has a market cap of about $112.4 billion.

Just over $7 billion is pretty modest valuation by most measures, likely reflecting that Kyndryl’s top-line has been shrinking in recent years. Revenue in 2020 on an adjusted basis was $19.1 billion, and has continued to shrink. For 2021, the company estimates revenue will be in the range of $18.5 billion to $18.7 billion. The company expects 2021 adjusted Ebitda, or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, of between $2.8 billion and $2.9 billion, about flat with the $2.9 billion reported on a pro forma basis in 2020, with pretax income in the $100 million to $200 million range.

IBM has said the markets Kyndryl serves are growing at about 7% a year, so the data would suggest the company has been losing some market share to rivals like Infosys , Tata Consultancy Services , Cognizant, and Wipro . But the current guidance suggests a valuation of about 0.4 times forward revenue, which seems low, even in the traditional low-multiple IT services sector.

Stifel analyst David Grossman pointed out in a research note on Kyndryl’s recent meeting for investors that the company doesn’t expect any revenue growth before 2025, with potential continued contraction until then. And the presentation notes there won’t be any cash flow in the near term to return to shareholders.

In his note, Grossman estimates that Kyndryl post-spin could trade at a valuation in the $6 billion to $7 billion range.

“While the outlook is underwhelming,” he writes, “even before we diligence the numbers, this is a company in an industry undergoing radical transformation accelerated by the migration to cloud/digital platforms, which is further complicated by the spin, and should be viewed in that context.”

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“… in a research note on Kyndryl's recent meeting for investors, the company doesn't expect any revenue growth before 2025, with potential continued contraction until then. And the presentation notes there won't be any cash flow in the near term to return to shareholders...”
See your Kyndryl stock ASAP. Price won’t go higher than it starts with for many years.

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Post ID: @4xjo+1dx7MtnB

I sold my IBM shares 2 weeks ago , but can consider to buy some Kyndryl after spin off . I have no trust to IBM and management . I am quite happy for Kyndryl guys , finally they git rid of IBM.

Hey IBM , there is 1 trillion $ opportunity in Cloud , haha,such a brilliant strategy from tyrant AK, sorry baby it is too late , we close the shop.

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Post ID: @4nnu+1dx7MtnB

Kyndryl shares are definitely a SELL, right away.

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Post ID: @1jpg+1dx7MtnB

I'll get 120 shares of Kyndryl on 11/3, and I plan to sell them all, it is just a question of how soon I do that. The financial metrics are all negative, the competition is very tough and the business approaches commodity level with comparatively low cost labor in (primarily) India for key competitors. Given the cash flow situation, I can't see much future for a robust dividend either. I just don't see a good story here. That's why IBM is spinning it off.
Good luck to the former IBMers though, and I mean that sincerely. They are stuck on the wrong side of the fence on this one, and I wish them the best.

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Post ID: @1wtg+1dx7MtnB

Kyndryl will cut IBM services. For years, they've complained IBM Security was too expensive and they couldn't compete with Accenture or Deloitte. Now, they'll have a chance to provide different solutions than IBM. The Kyndryl PE are already talking about canceling specific IBM services.

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Post ID: @liz+1dx7MtnB

Kyndryl is dead meat and dead money. Kyndryl will go out of business way before IBM unless it is bought out by one of the Indian outsourcers… it is a race to the bottom…

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Post ID: @prk+1dx7MtnB
The spin will initially cover 80.1% of Kyndryl’s shares, with IBM planning to swap the rest of the stock for outstanding IBM debt at some point in the next 12 months

Translation: IBM says we will not finish our latest big Financial Engineering project for at least another 12 months.

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Post ID: @kbv+1dx7MtnB

I wish I could sell right away… my RSUs are not vested until the end of Q1 2022!

That kinda tell you how much money I will never make! Can’t count on the IBM shares either, they are sinking.

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Post ID: @zfp+1dx7MtnB

Should we sell Kyndryl shares day of, or hold?
What about ibm shares? Will the price go down because we shed revenue and valuation decrease? Should we dump our shares before Nov 3?

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Post ID: @umj+1dx7MtnB

$6-7B on 100-200M of PTI?

This is a dog.

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