100% compliance by Nov 5 or out
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The Pandemic is pretty much over. This is asinine. People will fight this tooth and nail, lawsuits will be filed and in 2022 when the GOP takes back congress there will be he-l to pay for Cisco. Bank on it.
Come and Take It.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
Question is if I go religious exemption will I get discriminated against and get fired anyways
Will HR accept a certificate of deworming instead of a proper vaccination?
Asking for a friend...
What's next Chuck and Fran? Employment squid-game style? Employees, for the next game you have 15 minutes to upload your vaccination record. Or else.
I know there are corporate shills and PR staff here. Go away. This place isn't for you.
Lawsuits will bury Cisco.
Heard it from two Cisco employees myself that have the decency to not want to get their coworker fired and reported anonymously.
Really? You go on to talk abut Cisco's culture. If the comment was SO bad that two Cisco employees felt the need to report it, what's the point of reporting it anonymously because they "have the decency to not want to get their coworker fired"? Either the comment is so bad that the person should be reprimanded, and possibly fired if unrepentant, or it wasn't that bad.
As to Cisco's culture, if you are stupid enough to make comments in person during meetings, or online with your ID attached during Cisco Check-in's, Cisco is not afraid to take actions. Ask the people who made comments saying that black lives didn't matter this past summer how well that went for them. I can't see Cisco deleting a report about the comment that's being discussed. That is a certainly actionable comment that should not be allowed and would not be. Obviously I'm not in whatever group that "flame thread" is making its rounds in because I've not seen it, which makes me think this is a troll stirring the p-t.
Since you feel so strongly about it, I dare you to bring it up in the chat or Q&A panels during next Wed's Cisco Check-in to see what Chuck and Fran say about it. I don't want to work with anyone who is willing to say the quote attributed to them, but I also don't think anyone is so stupid as to voice such a thought around others at work. Then again, I wouldn't have thought people were stupid enough to make the comments during a Check-in that resulted in multiple people being fired this summer. Sh-t, or was that last summer. The days are blending together.
"Proud to work at Cisco.
I want to get back to the office, and all these unvaccinated people are preventing/delaying the return to the office.
We got a business to run."
You'll have plenty of business to run that is certain. Just like the layoff last year they won't open the reqs to backfill any of the positions left open from this exodus for at least six months to a year. I expect more people will burn out and leave Cisco for companies that will take care of their employees and not overwork them to save a little money.
Is it not amazing that the ELT has managed to schedule yet another layoff, but instead of blaming them the people who are going to end up with more work are blaming the people who are being laid off?
All exemptions are highly scrutinized, and unless you want to be self employed you should do society a favor and get vaccinated.
Again, I don't care if you believe it. Heard it from two Cisco employees myself that have the decency to not want to get their coworker fired and reported anonymously.
Regardless there is plenty of evidence of Cisco's culture in their internal thread that I mentioned that is seen by thousands. And on this one too.
@1meb+1dyzJoi5 about that ethics report: I heard that what you are saying is complete BS. There was NO such report . I heard from three sources and one of them was my mother’s father’s cousin’s mistress’s uncle’s janitor’s room mate and hence it has to be true!🙄
To all of you trying to pollute the thread with politics and pointless discussions about the vaccine efficiency, you are wasting time. Pretty sure mods here consider it off-topic and nuke it on a regular basis. Just sayin’
George Orwell would be proud.
1984 Part 2: The Vax-Axe
Regarding the ethics reports, I don't care if people believe it or not. I talked to two people that were there, I know the person that said it, multiple people heard the statement, everyone went silent.
It was reported, it was not responded to, and now it's deleted. There is a flame thread going on right now with a massive amount of people on it where someone just referred to a large swath of his coworkers as "you people." It shows the toxic culture of the company, many of its employees, and many in this thread. The word for it is dehumanization.
Also, where is Chuck?
Remove the emotion. Cisco has a large amount of government contracts at risk. 90%+ of the employee based is vaccinated. Do we do monetary harm to the company and resist the mandate or do we follow the policy in which less than 10% will be effected. Seem straight forward. It would have been much more complicated if those 90% had issues with the vaccine(side effects). All the ELT has been vaccinated, I will also bet all their direct reports. Entirely different story if the vaccine wasn't safe....75,000 Cisco employees will be vaccinated and sore arms and mild symptoms will be the result for some.
In other countries, not the US, if you have a side effect to the vaccine you qualify for workmans's comp. Not sure if that is the same in the US
It’s an “inclusive future for ALL”. Oh except for if you don’t want the vaccine…. Then we just dump you on the side of the road.
Well cheaper than throwing you in a hospital bed and wasting the space
News Flash: Cisco does almost no business directly with the Federal Government, all business is conducted through partners and integrators. So the reasoning that Cisco would “lose” business is a complete scapegoat. It simply isn’t true. Billions of dollars in revenue, all handled through partners with almost no direct relationships.
Really? We have an entire business unit named "Federal Sales" that works with the Government. There used to be a business unit named Global Government Security Group (GGSG) with a development team named Government Security Unit (GSU).
At one time, they were piloting customizing Cisco gear for the Department of Defense.
I'm pretty sure we do a lot of business with the Government.
@nnc+1dyzJoi5, if you didn't know this was coming after all this time and haven't already consulted your doctor, you need to pull your head out of Trump's a$$.
We've all known this day was coming for months. Get vaccinated, or don't. Find another job or get fired, the choices are yours. Good luck finding another job with any large, especially global company that's not requiring vaccinations.
Call me a sheep if you want, but I served my country and earned my veteran status. I was told what I could and couldn't do, told where to go, how to dress and groom, what vaccinations I had to have, etc. I was even denied some of my First Amendment rights of free speech under the UCMJ.
You and @svi+1dyzJoi5 need to suck it up and quit being whiners. You don't like the policy, quit and go somewhere else.
It’s an “inclusive future for ALL”. Oh except for if you don’t want the vaccine…. Then we just dump you on the side of the road.
News Flash: Cisco does almost no business directly with the Federal Government, all business is conducted through partners and integrators. So the reasoning that Cisco would “lose” business is a complete scapegoat. It simply isn’t true. Billions of dollars in revenue, all handled through partners with almost no direct relationships.
Conform.
Time to start applying to palo alto
Chuck, is that you?
To answer:
Cisco can't pretend to be caring about your health because they have made this US only. Why aren't people employed in Cisco Canada offices yelling and screaming that they need to implement this change if it is for everyone's health?
Because the United States federal government passed a vaccine mandate that applied to federal government contractors, and Cisco is a business with federal government contracts. If the Canadian government did the same thing, then I'm sure Cisco would go ahead and pass a mandate applying to Canadian employees as well.
Lot of people airing grievances about Cisco forcing folk to get vaccinated or the issue with government mandates and the safety/not safety of the vaccine, and a whole lot of opinions. Let's inject some common sense:
- The vaccine is a government mandate for government contractors. If your issue is with the mandate or the vaccine, this isn't the forum for that.
- Cisco has a lot of government contracts and so they have 3 choices: to abide by the government mandate, lose out on those contracts or fight a legal battle. If 90% of the US workforce is vaccinated, from a business perspective, it just makes more sense to follow the mandate than lose money on contracts or fight a legal battle over the 10% that aren't vaccinated.
- Outside of the parameters set by Title IX, or whatever law that governs discrimination, Cisco has a fairly strong legal standing against any employee lawsuits related to this. If they believe that they are required to abide by the terms of their federal government contracts, then any Covid-19 related lawsuit is pretty much dead in the water, especially with some church leaderships outright stating that they will not be providing religious exemption letters to members. I'm fairly sure that trying to game the system by having a doctor provide a medical exemption, is probably going to fail a deep investigation, especially if someone has had no history of medical issues that are contraindicated to the vaccine.
- While you are allowed to exercise your right to not get the vaccine, Cisco has the right to dictate terms of employment in the interest of employee and public safety. As an individual, you only have to worry about yourself, your immediate family, and potentially your extended family and friends, maybe 100 people if you stretch it. Cisco has 77000+ employees to consider, and this is a case where the needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.
- Cisco is at-will employment. You are not required to work here, and as harsh as it may seem, they are not required to keep you. Let's face it...few of those unvaccinated 10% are due to legitimate health reasons, and there is recourse for those with legitimate medical issues. For a lot of the rest, it's a matter of principle - they don't trust the vaccine, they don't think they need it or they don't like being told what to do. So while they have every right to feel that way and act accordingly, i.e. not get the vaccine, Cisco has every right to dictate terms of continued employment.
Enjoy explaining to your families why they can’t afford dinner anymore
Thank you so much, Cisco, for doing the right thing. I am sure you knew the strong reaction you would get and prepared accordingly. Proud to work for Cisco. Always disrupting. Always leading the pack!
Do you think there are enough people in Cisco to start a union? I mean - they're always saying that "We are Cisco". That means you and I - the people of Cisco. I think us little folks could make better decisions for this company, and there are more of us than there are of the few "Leaders".
This is at very least going to be a massive and stupid lawsuit if they don't accept all exceptions.
We could just make our own priorities and do our own things. Bonus points if you get your boss in on the deal. Extra bonus points for making "strategy teams" and getting co-workers in on the deal.
On December 9th, a bunch of random people unknown in number and roles just don't work here anymore? Seems like a risky business move, but that's why I am not the boss.
Very disappointed in our leadership as a whole. Who is strong enough to stand up against tyranny and say "No, we will not comply"? Apparently not Cisco.
Very disappointed in you Chuck.
Cisco has proven it can prosper even with its entire workforce working from home for ~2 years (just look at the share price) why does it feel the need to take this ominous and draconian step, even for remote workers?
CheckIn next Wednesday should be fun!
Cisco can't pretend to be caring about your health because they have made this US only. Why aren't people employed in Cisco Canada offices yelling and screaming that they need to implement this change if it is for everyone's health?
And other things that didn’t happen. Did everyone stand up and clap for their bravery too?
Proud to work at Cisco.
I want to get back to the office, and all these unvaccinated people are preventing/delaying the return to the office.
We got a business to run.
if you dont like it - QUIT! the world needs plenty of wanna be tech millionaires.
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