Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

I load and tune ammunition for my rifles. Keeps me sane. Booster coming in a week. 27

I assume you are commenting on the most recent poster who spent time cobbling together multiple messages in this thread in their response, you are absolutely right. They most definitely need a hobby, but quite frankly I think this is their life sadly.

I'm sorry you feel that taking time to copy and paste multiple comments to a temp document as I read though the replies since the previous day and then addressing them all in one shot by cutting it from the temp doc into this reply box and composing my reply is time consuming. I find that reading a comment and replying, then reloading the page, reading the next comment and replying and then reloading the page again, and so takes way more time that what I do. But, hey, you do you and I'll do me boo.

My hobbies are cycling and reading. I cycle in the late afternoon and early evening before it gets dark and then I read in the evening when it's too dark to ride.

I read news articles. I like reading both right wing and left wing stories to see if I can see where each side is twisting the story/facts to fit their narrative since news has now gone "online" and web traffic means getting revenue from ads, so each news source tries to spin the news to attract their target demographic to make money. News is no longer unbiased and factual. I also read novels. And I, obviously, read anonymous forums. I find a lot of humorous comments here, and if I'm bored, I'll reply. It really depends on the comment to decide if I want to troll it to provoke responses, if I want to offer true opinions, or provide answers to people asking about details of an upcoming LR. For example, Cisco didn't want to be transparent and share the details of the early retirement offer unless you were eligible for it, but those that were eligible shared those details.

The fact that you think my life is sad is quite funny. It means I managed to get a reaction out of you. :-)

Oh, and I'm cobbling more replies together just for you.

Cooking, jewelry making, gardening, photography, painting, playing an instrument, singing, scrapbooking, baking, cosplay, sand art, knitting ... just some ideas.

Thanks for the ideas. I'm good. Someone tried to say I was obese, so I'll avoid the cooking and baking. I used to sing, but I can't carry a tune in a bucket. I'm tone deaf. Too many years working around aircraft on the flight line in my early military service. Living in an apartment makes gardening, painting and playing instruments sort of impractical. Same for scrapbooking and sand art. Not enough room, especially now that I have to have a home office permanently.

I do cosplay, but the Anime con that comes to town every year has been canceled since 2020. I'm on staff for the con and usually spend a lot of time in the quarter prior to the con getting ready for 15K+ attendees.

Happy now?

"How sad is it that you are most likely triple jabbed, but still sitting at home scared and waiting on what the TV tells you to do next?"

Oh please do tell us this is all fake news! Nobody died from COVID, it's all fabricated by mainstream media, right? But you know better, you read real media that know the truth don't you?

Unless you are obese or of advanced age still working which either circumstance I seriously feel sorry for you on many levels, why would you live in complete fear of Covid? ... Most people have been enjoying their lives for almost a year and a half. It's not that they dismiss Covid, but they are smart enough to figure out their risk and enjoy life accordingly.

I'm so uplifted that you feel sorry for me on many levels. You must be young and stupid then. Compared to people in the 18-29 age range, people 40-49 are 10x more likely to die of COVID. People 50-64 are 25x more likely. Those are definitely not "advanced age" and need to be felt sorry for if they're still working. For fu-k's sake, that's not even retirement age. I have parents in the 65-74 age range and the 75-84 age range who have a 65x and 150x higher risk of death, and I enjoy spending time with them, so I vaccinate for their safety.

Yes, I'm smart enough to figure out my risk, the risk to my immune compromised spouse, and the risk to my parents and live my life accordingly. Other than not working in the office--Cisco's choice, not mine--and not eating in restaurants--my choice, I get food to-go now--I'm still doing all the same things I did before. I just wear a mask in crowds or keep a little extra personal space when outdoors.

I'd bet good money you're probably obese too. The US adult obesity rate is currently 42.4 % according to Google, so I'm pretty close to a 50/50 chance of winning that bet.

Take your pity and do something useful with it. I bet you're one of those who like to say "our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of shootings" too.

"True. Except for healthcare workers, patients in ICU or those resting six feet under. And the golden cretin award goes to you."

Oh, the golden cretin award! What an honor since I had thought that was only awarded to those who work in AppD and certain members of the ELT. How sad is it that you are most likely triple jabbed, but still sitting at home scared and waiting on what the TV tells you to do next?

"Most people have been enjoying their lives for almost a year and a half."

True. Except for healthcare workers, patients in ICU or those resting six feet under. And the golden cretin award goes to you.

I'm so glad the "MY FREEEEEEDOMMMMM" crowd will soon have a lot of time in their hands to exercise it since they will be unemployed and unemployable.

You will have all the time in the world to follow every conspiracy theory available on the dark web and the rest of us will be free to be in a working environment with sane people. So refreshing. Everybody wins.

Healthcare Worker Mandate Blocked for 10 States

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/cms-injunction.pdf?sfvrsn=ed822d9d_2

Healthcare Worker Mandate Blocked Nationwide

https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2021/11/30/louisiana-federal-judge-blocks-biden-national-covid-vaccine-mandate-healthcare-workers/8806478002/

Cooking, jewelry making, gardening, photography, painting, playing an instrument, singing, scrapbooking, baking, cosplay, sand art, knitting ... just some ideas.

"your personal risk assessment with your doctor. I've got news for you. Your doctor doesn't know jack. He can't predict how your body is going to react. Statically the risk is tiny. Keep on living in a fantasy world where you believe you have full control over everything."

Why would you not consult your own Dr. who knows your personal health history? Who are you looking to for advice, the Gov't , Chuck Robbins, Fran or Dr. Davis? Unless you are obese or of advanced age still working which either circumstance I seriously feel sorry for you on many levels, why would you live in complete fear of Covid? Talk about living in a fantasy world. Dude you are living proof of a fantasy world filled with Covid fears. Most people have been enjoying their lives for almost a year and a half. It's not that they dismiss Covid, but they are smart enough to figure out their risk and enjoy life accordingly.

"Somebody needs a hobby."

I assume you are commenting on the most recent poster who spent time cobbling together multiple messages in this thread in their response, you are absolutely right. They most definitely need a hobby, but quite frankly I think this is their life sadly.

Somebody needs a hobby.

100% correct that there are plenty of side effects that come with medication, vaccines and medical procedures, and you know what the big difference is here? These are not being mandated for an individual to take in order to continue to make a living, right? You make a cost benefit analysis based on your personal risk assessment with your doctor to determine what would be best for your particular situation. I am not sure how some people cannot make that connection.

I'll keep jumping in and keep reminding everyone who keeps saying this should be a personal choice should be just as outraged at the conservatives trying to strengthen anti-ab-----n laws and reverse Roe vs. Wade. Why are you OK with taking away women's choice over their body, but you get bent out of shape when someone tries to take your choice over your body?

Its crazy to think that a company is taking theses steps. And more crazy that a President who while campaigning said he didn't trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration to be mandating this.

I'll admit I was VERY skeptical about the vaccine because of how it was rushed through, especially when it was given its EUA approval in the last 30 days of Trump's presidency so he could claim all the credit. But vaccines are only present in your body for a couple of weeks, the adverse side effects are minimal and severe reactions are rare and usually treatable via an epipen. With millions of people getting it, I'd rather be safer with it than risk getting COVID and bringing it home to my family. I have a spouse who is immune compromised and there's no data on how effective vaccinations are for people in her situation. I have to do whatever I can to be as safe as possible FOR her. Do masks work? There's people who argue both ways, but no one is proving that they hurt me to wear, so I wear them just to be safe. Does keeping my distance from people help? How many times have you been sneezed on accidentally in your life before COVID? it's much harder to sneeze on me from 6' away while wearing a mask, so why not wear a mask for me?

I respect everyone's opinion - right up until the point it dictates my medical treatment. How did we get away from my body my decision.

Again, why should you get to have "my body by decision" while women don't have the same consideration? I'm all for your decision as long as all medical treatment is considered my body my decision.

Does anyone disagree with my assumption that if this was a Republican Executive Order that Cisco would be having a very different response?

Its crazy to think that a company is taking theses steps. And more crazy that a President who while campaigning said he didn't trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration to be mandating this.

I respect everyone's opinion - right up until the point it dictates my medical treatment. How did we get away from my body my decision.

"your personal risk assessment with your doctor" I've got news for you. Your doctor doesn't know jack. He can't predict how your body is going to react. Statically the risk is tiny. Keep on living in a fantasy world where you believe you have full control over everything.

"You forget the 737 had issues before the Max. You just proved your own point, if it was only risk/reward you would be vaccinated. Something else must be troubling you."

Nope, not at all. Although I will say my friend who died from a massive stroke at 41 two days after his second Pfizer shot may have given me pause on moving forward along with discussions with my Dr. on my particular health situation which helped me determine my decision. Unless you are elderly, obese and/or have specific co-morbidities you are at less risk of serious consequences from Covid than many other illnesses you could be exposed to on a regular basis. There are outliers of course, but if you actually look at the data you would be able to see that for yourself. Unfortunately, people have been made to believe the only thing they must fear is Covid regardless of your actual personal risk of severe illness or death.

You forget the 737 had issues before the Max. You just proved your own point, if it was only risk/reward you would be vaccinated. Something else must be troubling you.

"Do you get on a plane built by boeing ?"

Not the 737 Max. Keep proving the point. You are quite good at not understanding risk/reward assessment.

"The largest recorded pharma settlement in history was from Pfizer due to their negligence. "

Do you get on a plane built by boeing ?

"I love the lack of logic and reasoning fallacies posted here. This one caught my eye: "Are you alright with something if it only injures or ki--s a certain percentage of people". You know literally every pill you've ever taken comes with a long list of possible side effects right?"

100% correct that there are plenty of side effects that come with medication, vaccines and medical procedures, and you know what the big difference is here? These are not being mandated for an individual to take in order to continue to make a living, right? You make a cost benefit analysis based on your personal risk assessment with your doctor to determine what would be best for your particular situation. I am not sure how some people cannot make that connection.

I love the lack of logic and reasoning fallacies posted here. This one caught my eye: "Are you alright with something if it only injures or ki--s a certain percentage of people". You know literally every pill you've ever taken comes with a long list of possible side effects right? Everyday products actually do ki-l Americans each year: hygienic tampons can be lethal. Aspirin can cause anaphylactic shock. Heck, in America drinking tap water can ki-l you (Flint anyone?). The human body is still a mystery to a large extent, some folks die from eating nuts. There's no such thing as risk free. It's a cost-benefit analysis that most antivaxxers are unable to perform.

"Let me go out on a limb and guess...conspiracy theories are nothing new to you. It also pains you to know that over 80% of the US has at least one jab but don't seem to be getting sick from the jab. You will do anything to not change your view on COVID. I bet you even compare it to the flu."

Awe, I see I hurt your feelings, but clearly you are missing the point. I don't care if you or anyone else chooses to get the shot or not. This isn't FOMO. Choosing to get the shot should be your personal choice and not the choice made by anyone else. If you believe it will help you, you should absolutely do it. There are others where the benefit may not outweigh any potential adverse effects or injury. While many do just fine with the shot and others have been injured. If you truly believe no one has had a vaccine injury with this shot or any others you obviously have your head in the sand. Are you alright with something if it only injures or ki--s a certain percentage of people? What if that person injured or harmed is you or a loved one? The largest recorded pharma settlement in history was from Pfizer due to their negligence. Do you think that large of an award was given because there was no harm done to the individuals involved? No conspiracy theories, just asking you to use your brain here.

Let me go out on a limb and guess...conspiracy theories are nothing new to you. It also pains you to know that over 80% of the US has at least one jab but don't seem to be getting sick from the jab. You will do anything to not change your view on COVID. I bet you even compare it to the flu.

"Let me guess, you believe the vaccines are harmful, are experimental, and change your DNA. I'll go out on a limp and guess you believe in some mass program to control all of us."

Let me go out on a limp, oh I mean limb and say you are a mindless lazy lump who believes everything you are told. You also probably have "fully vaxxed" somewhere in your twitter profile. lol

". What a good little propaganda bot! Fauci and MSM would be super proud. You should look up the term mass formation psychosis."

Let me guess, you believe the vaccines are harmful, are experimental, and change your DNA. I'll go out on a limp and guess you believe in some mass program to control all of us.

"70% of adults are vaccinated. 80% of new cases in are in the unvaccinated. Pretty clear...80% is coming from a pool of only 30% of the population. Thank you Darwin."

What a good little propaganda bot! Fauci and MSM would be super proud. You should look up the term mass formation psychosis.

70% of adults are vaccinated. 80% of new cases in are in the unvaccinated. Pretty clear...80% is coming from a pool of only 30% of the population. Thank you Darwin.

For those asking for a religious exemption is the hope you get the exemption so you don't have to get the vaccine? Seems like if you have a firmly held religious exemption the question is do I keep my job.....would not be very firm if my religious views are only as firm as my job status.

Are we really doing this again? So much bark and no bite. If I were dead convinced being forced to getting jabbed by my employer was unethical, unconstitutional and a gross violation of my essential rights, I'd just leave and that would be the end of it. What's holding y'all from having the guts to stand by your beliefs and act accordingly?

The ER person was nice, however was not well informed on the process and couldn't answer questions pertaining to a medical accommodation. While I appreciate their honesty in not having answers, I do find it unacceptable to keep those with medical or religious accommodation requests in complete limbo for almost a month and likely much longer. They obviously do not care about their employees no matter how many "we're wanting to keep you safe" platitudes Fran continues to say in her ridiculous mom voice. Note to Fran, no one needs you to be their mom and I'm not sure if you queried her own kids they would want her either. All kidding aside, my SO who also works for a large IT company received his accommodation request in less than three business days. That is how it's done and how Cisco is handling this is atrocious.

Can't a personal belief be a personal 'religious' belief? Who are you or the company to say? I don't need to prove innocence in this country and my Rights are protected under the Constitution regardless of your personal opinion. My objection has zero impact on the company, none.

Common sense says a "personal belief" is just that, a personal belief. A "religious belief" that is personally held, is a belief that is commonly shared among others of that faith, or religion. There's a difference between the two.

You objection does have an impact on the company. Namely, until the courts block the executive order, Cisco has to comply or lose its ability to do business with the federal government, which Cisco has said is $5B in revenue annually. If, under the OSHA mandate, which has been blocked, Cisco has to allow you to test weekly as long as it doesn't place undue burden on the company. The question is, who pays for the weekly testing? You, or Cisco? If you, is it covered by Cisco's medical health plan? If so, it's covered by Cisco since Cisco is self insured, so in both cases Cisco is paying for those weekly testing costs, which is an increase in operational expenses which in turn is a loss of profits. That's an impact. The question is whether it's an undue burden or not.

I'm not saying the mandate is right. I think, if there's a mandate, it should be just like any mandates around the MMR, polio and other vaccinations that are required of children. If you're not going to require it of everyone with allowances for the same exemptions as other vaccines, then it shouldn't be required of anyone. I just don't have skin in this game because I voluntarily got vaccinated as soon as it was available in Feb '20 for high risk categorized people.

To me, it's like the flu shot. Get it or don't get it. But, if you don't, and you show symptoms of illness, stay the fu-k at home until you're healthy again so you don't give it to me. And, if someone in your family gets ill, don't bring your germs into work even if you still feel healthy so you don't give it to me. And, in general, just keep out of my personal space so I don't get your common cold, flu or COVID illnesses. I like not having been sick since the winter of '18/spring of '19. Luckily for me, my floor in RTP during the Nov '19 - Mar '20 was a ghost town, so I wasn't really around people in close proximity so I didn't get the common cold or flu that year.

" The question is if you are religious but don't want the vaccine due to personal beliefs "

Can't a personal belief be a personal 'religious' belief? Who are you or the company to say? I don't need to prove innocence in this country and my Rights are protected under the Constitution regardless of your personal opinion. My objection has zero impact on the company, none.

When it comes to personal belief, might want to check:

United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965)
Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333 (1970)

I have zero data on "most" so let's use the word some. The question is if you are religious but don't want the vaccine due to personal beliefs what does it say about you if you use religion as a way around the mandate....I think we know what it makes you.

Ok. How many is most and where is your data? Title VII was passed to protect us from people like you.

It may not be "most", but they're certainly the most vocal about it. None of them can/will explain HOW it's against their beliefs, especially when they've had other vaccinations and belong to faiths whose leadership has publicly stated it's not against that's faith's tenants.

It's optics. A few bad/stupid people who draw the media's attention make the other's with real needs for exemptions look bad.

“ Most that object to the vaccine aren't doing so for their religious beliefs but rather using that as a way around the vaccine requirement because of their personal beliefs”

Ok. How many is most and where is your data? Title VII was passed to protect us from people like you.

Most that object to the vaccine aren't doing so for their religious beliefs but rather using that as a way around the vaccine requirement because of their personal beliefs. So if you are religious but don't want the vaccine due to personal beliefs what does it say about you if you use religion as a way around the mandate....I think I know what it makes you

Some people just don't want the vaccine! Get used to it!

Highly unlikely that they actually do care about religious freedom or my body my choice.

Until every anti-ab-----n law is revoked, don't give me "my body; my choice" BS.

I also find it hard to believe the "religious freedom" excuse when the Pope, Southern Baptist Convention, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and other religious leaders are saying there's no religious objections to it, but I don't know about every religious faith. I know my faith doesn't have any objections to it, so everyone in the bible belt saying otherwise is just making sh-t up.

You have a documented medical reason, fine. Have a religious objection that's not in contradiction of your religion's leaders, fine. But claiming a religious objection just because you don't want it just doesn't cut it. Have you received other vaccinations? Then it's not a religious objection. Do you use Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Ibuprofen? Then you can't object due to fetal cell line use in testing.

I had a 20 something bay area tell me they represent my interests to the council. Highly unlikely that they actually do care about religious freedom or my body my choice.