Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

I may be arrogant, but then again, so are many others on this site.

Well, thats all right then…

Some people are utilizing all of their PTO because they have CURRENT medical issues. Not ones that can be planned. They are in and out of the hospital weekly/monthly. And not everyone has understanding managers that will work with them. Don't you have any sense of compassion?

Yes, I have compassion. But the OP said "Many had vacation plans that depended on those days." Medical issues ARE NOT VACATION PLANS! I'm only arguing about people not planning vacations.

Someone else said "Some people had plane tickets and plans set up and now can't use thousands of dollars of vaccation plans because of this situation." Again, that's not a medical issue, which brings me back to my comments about not planning.

No, he clearly does not. I'm the OP that posted this from the start. I'm also the one with medical issues and had an as----e manager. I did plan. I know others that planned as well and the unexpected came up.

I've not said sh-t about medical issues. And Cisco offers short and long term disability insurance to deal with issues like this. Why aren't you using that? Why did you refer to your need for PTO as "vacation plans"? Sick leave is not a vacation. Had you said that, I wouldn't have responded at all.

The poster is a low EQ individual that is probably hated by everyone that is forced to deal with him. He will never give an inch. Never admit he may have been quick to judge. His arrogance won't let him. Broken person and would be best to just let him get the last word, because he can't stop himself.

Damn straight I won't give an inch. I have already admitted several times my comments are NOT about medical issues, but are about people's "vacation" plans or "plane tickets and plans set up and now can't use thousands of dollars of vaccation plans". I may be arrogant, but then again, so are many others on this site. If my comments don't apply to you or your situation, keep on scrolling instead of responding to me.

"Don't you have any sense of compassion?"

No, he clearly does not. I'm the OP that posted this from the start. I'm also the one with medical issues and had an as----e manager. I did plan. I know others that planned as well and the unexpected came up.

The poster is a low EQ individual that is probably hated by everyone that is forced to deal with him. He will never give an inch. Never admit he may have been quick to judge. His arrogance won't let him. Broken person and would be best to just let him get the last word, because he can't stop himself.

"If you're using so much of your PTO that you can't handle a sudden 3 day emergency absence, then you're not "planning" your PTO."

Some people are utilizing all of their PTO because they have CURRENT medical issues. Not ones that can be planned. They are in and out of the hospital weekly/monthly. And not everyone has understanding managers that will work with them. Don't you have any sense of compassion?

Dude is a di-k AND a nutbag. Can't let it go.

Because anyone who is planning vaccations IS obviously going to use common sense.

You are attacking people you don't know for a self-serving feeling of mental superiority. That is a vile action.

All of your points only prove my point. They're NOT planning. Cisco provides 20 days per year. The year end shutdown was/is announced every year so everyone knows about that it's coming. Yes, the fact that the ELT expanded it by an additional 3 days (24 hrs) is annoying, but they allow you to borrow 40 hrs to cover it. The initial mandatory PTO was 3 days (24 hrs) expanded to an additional 3 days (24) hrs, so a total of 48 hrs.

IF you had planned your PTO, you wouldn't be in a situation where, at most, you'd be short 8 hrs of PTO.

Again, If you have travel plans now, using the PTO now doesn't impact them. If your plans are for after the year-end shutdown, it only takes 4 pay periods to accrue back the 3 days you used, and you can go negative if you need to take PTO between Jan 3 & Mar 1.

Your examples make it sound like extending the year-end shutdown prevents you from traveling over the holidays to see family or have a vacation. If you're on vacation, how does extending the mandatory PTO prevent you from traveling? And, if you're planning for summer travel, you'll have earned enough PTO by then to borrow the 3 extra days you used in Jan.

About the only scenario I can figure out is someone taking their vacation before the year end and planning to return on 1/3, but now having to return on 1/6. You'd have had to poorly plan to end up with negative 40 hrs upon your return on 1/3 to be in a situation where the additional 3 days is an actual impact. Seems like you could work something out w/ your manager to work 1/3 - 1/6 while using PTO and not work 12/20 - 12/22 while not using PTO to keep the books balanced.

If you're using so much of your PTO that you can't handle a sudden 3 day emergency absence, then you're not "planning" your PTO. What would you do if the ELT hadn't extended the year-end shutdown, but you were suddenly hospitalized for 3 days the first week of Jan? It's poor planning no matter how you defend it.

You can attack me all you want for being vile and my feeling of mental superiority. Meanwhile, I'll plan my PTO appropriately so that I have PTO 1) for emergencies, 2) for sudden illness or having to take care of my kids, 3) vacations and 4) additional severance pay.

In response to: How is it vile to point out that people should plan their "vacations" using some common sense?

Because anyone who is planning vaccations IS obviously going to use common sense. You are attacking people you don't know for a self-serving feeling of mental superiority. That is a vile action.

You don't know anyone else's situation. Medical isnt the only needs being harmed here.

Some people have aging and dying family members they had plans to visit and now cant.

Some people had plane tickets and plans set up and now can't use thousands of dollars of vaccation plans because of this situation. (And not everywhere has good internet, and not everyone wants to work on their r&r time).

Some people do have medical issues and since our PTO is also our medical time off - some people are going to be stuck canceling life saving surgeries and proceedures or postponing them for months because of this.

Some people use vaccation time right as they get it because they have important needs even I don't understand.

The ELT are not considerate to thier workforce. And you are not being considerate of your fellow co-workers.

You sir, are a vile and wretched man.

@3pzb+1eehQe0p, You're welcome to your opinion. Everyone has opinions and as-----s, and they usually both stink.

How is it vile to point out that people should plan their "vacations" using some common sense? Obviously health issues fall under unavoidable circumstances. But I've only had one manager, thankfully long gone, who would not have worked with anyone having health issues.

But, if you attack me in the comments, I will defend my comments. Thanks for your 2 cents.

Yes, I was stupid to get cancer and unlucky to get a manager that was an AS----E.

Cancer and vacation plans are completely different cases. The OP stated that many people needed their PTO for vacations. My comments were directed to the lack of planning for vacations and you attacked me for those comments.

I know of a Cisco employee who's wife has cancer and he seems to manage his PTO, but maybe his manager is not an as----e. I thought Cisco had short-term and long-term disability benefits. Are you not taking advantage of those? I guess you're not in the small parts of Cisco that still care about taking care of people/family first.

Telling me to F off talking about people with poor planning FOR VACATION just makes you a Karen. If my comments don't apply to your situation, then ignore them.

@2nnn+1eehQe0p You sir, are a vile and wretched man.

"No, I won't go F myself because you're stupid."

Yes, I was stupid to get cancer and unlucky to get a manager that was an AS----E.

You don't know my particular situation. Go F yourself.

What I do know, is that under Cisco's PTO policy allowing for the banking of a minimum of 220 hrs for employees w/ less than 5 yrs, and that they allow people to borrow 40 hrs of PTO at any given time, you've done a pi-s poor job of planning your "vacation" if you were in a place where you would have negative more than 16 hrs come Jan 3rd when they announced the extra 24 hrs of mandatory PTO. If you were at -16, you could borrow the additional 24 to be -40 and not lose any pay.

Who, as an adult, can't plan their "vacation"? If you're dealing w/ family issues, then between your manager and HR, you should have been able to work out a way to work or get emergency PTO to deal with the family emergency.

When I had to be suddenly hospitalized and needed surgery, then developed internal bleeding as well as blood clots in my legs resulting in another 2 surgeries, I managed to be allowed to work from the hospital and put in 2/3rd of my time and get my deliverables done on time, so I didn't have to use any PTO.

But, the OP said "many had vacation plans that depended on those PTO days", so I don't need to know YOUR situation. I was asking how "many people" could have planned so poorly that they didn't have enough PTO, or couldn't borrow 40 hrs, to cover the three additional days. In 4 pay periods, or 2 months, those 24 hrs would be be accrued, so by the first of March, you're back to where you were.

No, I won't go F myself because you're stupid. I've talked w/ a group of 27 new hires that started on Nov 9th, so they'll only have accrued 3 pay periods (18 hrs) PTO by the time the year-end rolls around assuming they didn't use any between their start date and the start of the year-end shutdown. At least half of them are in the US and not a one of them has whined about being forced to use PTO or about it being extended by 3 extra days. And they probably were unaware of the year-end shutdown when they interviewed. Crybaby.

Is telling me to F off the best you got?

Some countries are being shamed into taking 9 (yes, NINE) days of PTO

This is illegal in California. Easy case for a lawyer if you need those Vacation days.

No

Get over it

I seriously love when someone’s defense to an argument is “I had a hard time in my past and I didn’t stand up for my self, so fu-k you for trying!!”

Just like when my manager told me I’m entitled for asking for a raise, because he had to work while being under paid for years after the Great Recession of …. 2008!!!

These people who reason/logic like this have some underdeveloped part of the brain

RTP is closing.

And we don’t care about your particular situation. “We” don’t need to address sh-t.

"Go find someone else to whine to. "

You don't know my particular situation. Go F yourself.

For CA, Division of Labor Standards Enforcement (DLSE) has a memo:
https://fels.net/Data/Laws/DLSE_Vacation_Pay_Memorandum-2005.PDF.

It says company must give at least 3 months of notice before it can shutdown (forced PTO).

Many had vacation plans that depended on those days. Not everyone has a huge stash of PTO file away.

You're sadly in a very small minority. The majority of people who don't have a huge stash of PTO accrued are new hires. And even then, with Cisco allowing employees to "borrow" up to 40 hrs PTO in advance, you can still get paid for those days off.

The majority of Cisco employees that quit taking vacation days during the pandemic and have built up enough PTO balance that they're literally begging the ELT to increase the max allowed balance so they don't stop accruing PTO hours. They're the ones you need to blame.

I know people who are traveling to vacation resorts/beach houses and "working" online a half day or so and then spending the remaining half day and evenings enjoying their vacation spot. I know others who've travelled to spend time with family letting the spouse and kids spend time with the grandparents while they worked and didn't use PTO hours.

You get 20 days PTO per year and you knew that you'd have to use 3 days PTO between Christmas and New Year's since last year. All they've done is require an additional 3 days in Jan and they're allowing you to borrow 40 hrs, so how does this impact your vacation plans?

Are you saying that you burned through 20 days already this year and planned to borrow 24 hrs to get you through the planned shutdown and now need to borrow 24 more hours? That only leaves you 8 hrs short. You can easily afford a single day's loss of wages. Red badges are being furloughed for the entire time and not getting paid at all.

Go find someone else to whine to. I was on the red-badge side for 6 yrs before joining Cisco. Even as a recent hire, I have enough PTO to cover the extended PTO by borrowing time. I just wish I could add the two days after the extended mandatory time off and not have to come back on Thur & Fri.

ELT is asshoe

nothing u can do about it, it's mandatory. i complained to hr and the hr lady told me to take it or you don't get paid if you work on those days.