Now that the unvaccinated get to keep their jobs, Cisco's ELT is likely contriving a scheme to axe the 10% it had expected to depart. Who thinks they won't resist the temptation to lay off those with rejected exemption claims? It would be blatant discrimination but hey would anybody here really be that surprised?
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Good to know we have a religion expert in the building! What qualifies a set of beliefs to be a religion genius?
I don't know, "@Les Coe Brandon". You're the genius that decided a new religion was necessary, but doesn't want to grow and spread it's word (or message) like every other popular religion. Christianity in general, the pr-------t denominations, Mormons, etc. all are missionary religions. Heck, even Islam tries to spread. About the only non-missionary religion I could find was Judaism, but I don't think a Dumper is Jewish.
Grow some ba--s and just say you don't want the jab instead of trying to hid behind some fake religion you had to create just to get an exemption. Oh, BTW, even Trump himself just got his booster shot. :-)
What religion doesn't want to expand? Oh, yeah, yours. Because it's just you and your family calling your personal belief a "religion".
Good to know we have a religion expert in the building! What qualifies a set of beliefs to be a religion genius?
I have no desire to spread my religion any further. I have all the members I want at this time.
What religion doesn't want to expand? Oh, yeah, yours. Because it's just you and your family calling your personal belief a "religion".
There are personal beliefs, and beliefs that are religious. Just because you believe it doesn't make it a religious belief. Notice that I said "a religious belief". I said nothing about whether or not someone's religious belief is true or not. I have my religious belief(s), and others are free to have theirs. But when they claim BS beliefs and call it "religious" and, especially if it gets attributed to my religious belief, then I have problems with that. Notice how all the religious groups gave Trump a pass on all of his MANY lies while President because he pushed issues that were important to their religion. The means do not justify the ends.
"And how does your religion grow and expand if you don't share information about it? Every religion that I've ever met someone from that faith, attended at least one worship service, etc. have all tried to spread their faith through ministry."
I have no desire to spread my religion any further. I have all the members I want at this time.
"If you didn't create the religion to exploit religious exemptions, why did you need to create a new religion? How does it differ from the hundreds of other religions already in existence?"
That's personal. Only to be discussed with members of my religion.
And how does your religion grow and expand if you don't share information about it? Every religion that I've ever met someone from that faith, attended at least one worship service, etc. have all tried to spread their faith through ministry. I still call BS on your new religion actually being a religion and just being an excuse to avoid this jab. Just come out and say you don't want it and stop hiding behind a fake, made up religion.
My religion allows for clear and direct communication with the almighty power of God himself through prayer, and he has directly instructed me not to take THIS vaccine, how do you all like that?
Better check out title 7 if you don’t like it.
Thr undeniable fact is that unless you are Catholic (the one, true, holy and apostolic church), you are a heretic.
"If you didn't create the religion to exploit religious exemptions, why did you need to create a new religion? How does it differ from the hundreds of other religions already in existence?"
That's personal. Only to be discussed with members of my religion.
But the point is, there is at least one religion that is against vaccines contrary to what you or someone else claimed earlier in this thread.
I didn't create the religion to exploit religious exemptions. Don't be ridiculous. It just so happens that one of the my religion's tenets is to not get vaccinated.
If you didn't create the religion to exploit religious exemptions, why did you need to create a new religion? How does it differ from the hundreds of other religions already in existence?
I'd bet that your new religious belief in not being vaccinated suddenly came upon you and you didn't feel a need to claim an exemption when you received your Polio, MMR and other vaccinations. Why the need for a new religion when people have tried, I assume successfully, to claim religious exemptions from vaccinations for years because they still think they cause autism, or something like that.
"Working at Cisco is a privilege not a right. Ok?!!!!"
I sp-t out my coffee reading this statement. Thanks for the laugh today!
ELT definitely likely to axe folks, probably jan-feb would be my guess. They wasted tons of resources on thier EO vaccination effort and will need to recoup losses.
Plus they wanted this to be a "free" LR, and since that didn't happen they are going to have to do something to keep the street happy. They have a layoff every year to keep the money train going just a little bit longer.
But the wheels are about to fall off (in my opinion). Moral is tanked, folks are leaving left and right (including in senior roles), they aren't doing well generating revenue, and they've lost every SaaS race. Thier stock gains don't even appear to be keeping up with inflation from where I am sitting.
Good time to have an exit strategy - whether you've been vaccinated or not.
The Pope said the vaccine is not against religion. The UK Queen (another lil pope) said the same thing, she is already vaxxed. Get vaxxed or stop wasting Cisco's resources. Working at Cisco is a privilege not a right. Ok?!!!!
"And blatantly creating a new religion just to exploit religious exemptions is pretty petty. Why don't you create a religion that doesn't believe in paying taxes while you're at it.*
I didn't create the religion to exploit religious exemptions. Don't be ridiculous. It just so happens that one of the my religion's tenets is to not get vaccinated.
It is the mark of the beast because they are trying to make sure you can't buy, sell, or participate in society without it.
Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
So vaccinations for Mumps, Measles & Rubella, for Polio, and other diseases are the mark of the beast? You can't participate in society without them too. And any religion that wants you to not vaccinate your kids against diseases that ki-l is not a religion of a loving God. Claim your religious exemption if it makes you able to sleep at night, but it's not a mark of the beast, nor are MMR & Polio vaccinations. If it was the "mark of the beast", then every news agency would be reporting the numerous religious leaders who are saying not to take the vaccination instead of covering all the religious leaders who are saying there's no prohibition in their religion against it and recommending their congregations get vaccinated.
I had to laugh when someone replied saying that Catholics didn't have to follow the Pope's guidance except about the actual scripture.
It is the mark of the beast because they are trying to make sure you can't buy, sell, or participate in society without it.
Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
"No religion prohibits the vax."
Not true. I created one a few years back that prohibits vaccines.
And blatantly creating a new religion just to exploit religious exemptions is pretty petty. Why don't you create a religion that doesn't believe in paying taxes while you're at it.
Not true - my full congregation considers this particular shot and the requirements being implemented (like the passport) to be the mark of the beast.
And that's a bu-----t excuse. Why is this particular shot any different than the others? I get not wanting it due to no long term testing data, but that's not a religious excuse. 30 yrs from now, that excuse won't hold water, so why is this one the mark of the beast?
Mine does. And so does God. I prayed about it and God answered me loud and clear. I am not to take this shot.
Who am I to argue with God?
What was this loud and clear answer? Trump said so? Even he got the shot in Jan '21 but he was too cowardly to do it publicly like other politicians. And, he got it after he caught
COVID, so again, why did he get it if he already had "a natural immunity"?
Vaccines do not limit or stop the spread of the virus, and do not keep you from getting sick. Choosing to not be vaccinated does not have an impact on others.
The unvaxxed were at the workplace first. Let those who are afraid of the unvaxxed leave.
By that argument, maybe you should be the one leaving since I've been w/ Cisco for 15 yrs working under a manager who's been here for 25 and and a director and senior director who each have 20+ yrs with Cisco. We're all vaccinated.
I don't think that Cisco should be the one to mandate or require vaccinations, but I'm still on the fence as to whether or not this vaccination should be mandated like polio, MMR, hepatitis , chickenpox, etc. The flu ki--s, but the flu shot isn't mandated, and while COVID has much more severe symptoms than the flu, it's not like the measles, mumps or polio.
I'm just glad I don't have to work in person with people who feel like they can be unvaccinated and take no precautions with giving me COVID, flu or even the common cold. I used to think people who worked at Cisco were courteous, polite and caring about others because they used to work from home when they or their kids showed signs of the crud or flu even if they were office workers, but all this animosity about vaccinations is truly telling about people's real personality.
"No religion prohibits the vax."
Mine does. And so does God. I prayed about it and God answered me loud and clear. I am not to take this shot.
Who am I to argue with God?
"No religion prohibits the vax."
Not true - my full congregation considers this particular shot and the requirements being implemented (like the passport) to be the mark of the beast.
"No religion prohibits the vax."
Not true. I created one a few years back that prohibits vaccines.
Yeah, Cisco has had a yearly layoff the last 10 years and usually has a mid-year layoff too. Just the death throws of a company that no longer has a useful product and only survives on it's back-room deals with other large corporations.
They are likely putting together the plans for getting rid of a 5% chunk of folks right now.
Thank goodness the mandate malarkey got shut down at least.
"The unvaxxed will become a smaller and smaller part of the employee base as we move forward. It is almost a requirement that sales be vaccinated (to see customers and many customers are requiring it). Then we have a vaccine requirement for new hires."
Unless people have gotten their boosters, the majority of employees are not fully vaccinated and have immunity comparable to those that never got the vaccine in the first place. The return to work policy may soon be, "Papers, please"
"They are in for a huge lawsuit if they layoff ANYONE that applied for an accommodation."
I have heard the term "pandemic of the vaccinated", could that mean that Cisco does an "LR of the vaccinated" to avoid being in legal hot water!?
If so Cisco would end up with the opposite of what seemed to be a free to them targeted LR against noncompliant and dissenting employees.
The unvaxxed will become a smaller and smaller part of the employee base as we move forward. It is almost a requirement that sales be vaccinated (to see customers and many customers are requiring it). Then we have a vaccine requirement for new hires.
The unvaxxed were at the workplace first. Let those who are afraid of the unvaxxed leave.
"Everyone I know who has been a part of the accommodation has been documenting every scrap of the process. Including the harassment many of them are experiencing now and the emotional and mental pain their families have been through."
Bingo
They are in for a huge lawsuit if they layoff ANYONE that applied for an accomodation.
I wouldnt be surpirsed if they avoid all accomodated people in the next LR just to avoid the intense legal ramifications they would experience.
Everyone I know who has been a part of the accomodation has been documenting every scrap of the process. Including the harassment many of them are experiencing now and the emotional and mental pain thier families have been through.
A class action lawsuit would likely be very successful after the courts stayed Biden's order, and the unvaxxed folks have plenty of information gathered for that kind of suit. And they are currently organized working through plans.
If the ELT has any sense they will sweep this quietly under the rug, avoid firing anyone on the accomodated list for a couple years, and make plans that don't alienate the tiny remaining portion of the workforce that atill believes in them and thier policies.
“ No religion prohibits the vax.”
I often wish I was a stupid as you, so life would be easier. I would just walk around all day looking for a place to plug my umbilical cord into and drudge along through life until death, all the while unaware of my own suffering and misery while instead blaming it on who the government tells me to, like the Unvaccinated
You know a medical therapy is incredibly safe and effective when governments and corporations have to mandate that you take it and the debates regarding it require discussing what personal beliefs a person is allowed to have and the core tenants of major religions.
If you don’t obey the pope you are not catholic and Jesus will not save you.
"No religion prohibits the vax."
With respect, you don't understand the law. Are you a US citizen? I ask because it is well understood here that personal religious beliefs do not depend on a Pope's edict.
"Her husband is posting about control and subordination yet she pushed the control and subordination of people's bodies via the vaccine mandate? WOW!"
And she said that she loved him for it. You can't make this stuff up.
No religion prohibits the vax.
Her husband is posting about control and subordination yet she pushed the control and subordination of people's bodies via the vaccine mandate? WOW!
Yes, it's a protected class if it is based on religious belief or an ADA disability.
"" blatant discrimination"
No. Unvax'd is not a protected class. While a bonehead move, not discrimination. Given the completely mo--nic layoff decisions of the recent past, I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the vax'd instead. It would make as much sense as some of the other cuts they've done."
Discriminating against race, gender, and religion is. The accommodations teams roll up to Fran.
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I hear that there was such a long pause because her personal rubber Deny stamp was worn down from over use and she had to wait for Amazon to deliver another.
" blatant discrimination"
No. Unvax'd is not a protected class. While a bonehead move, not discrimination. Given the completely mo--nic layoff decisions of the recent past, I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the vax'd instead. It would make as much sense as some of the other cuts they've done.