Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Privacy and security considerations are at play - some roles require working in secure areas and all US based jobs need to be performed from the US due to cross border transfer issues relating to access to data (privacy regulations).
So there will be boundaries even for doing remote work.

Wait, working from home doesn’t mean working from beach? Or working fromDisneyland?

Sorry... but how does BYOD even factor into this thread? The rabbit holes these conversations venture into make me question my coworkers ability to make an appropriate response.
Seriously, feel free to start a new conversation if you have a beef. Randomly spouting silliness won't get you the answers you are looking for.

@fpk+1eiSrNgh
No, it's not. It's a separate project from BYOD all together. And it is separate from VDI as well, since you brought that up for whatever reason.

Anyway, if you do not have a device you can travel with, then you wouldn't be traveling with a device. Once that switch goes on for your unit, then you don't order any hardware through work. You don't have loaners available. Thats only if you're still traveling when it comes out. Travel is going to become very limited for anyone below maybe 4 or so down.

"BYOD is already here. That pertains to tablets and phones only."

I'm not being dense. It's purported to expand to include computing, as well. And I'm familiar with VDI, so don't patronize me.

@yeg+1eiSrNgh
I literally just said not to confuse the two - and you go and confuse the two. Come on.

BYOD is already here. That pertains to tablets and phones only.

Portaling in - using whatever client we finally decide use. For that, you would bring a different device and if you do not have one, you're most likely not traveling for work or do not need a device for that trip. Travel will be extremely cut down when we RTO anyway. As branches close less travel will be needed from regional employees as well.

@fsp+1eiSrNgh
Then you travel and check in at a Connections center, or you don't bring a device when traveling. Or you use the mobile client BYOD to get your stuff that way.

@dvv+1eiSrNgh, I get all that. What if my BYOD is a desktop?

@dvv+1eiSrNgh, I get all that. What if my BYOD is a desktop?

@pnn+1eiSrNgh
You bring your BYOD device. That isn't hard to figure out.

Don't confuse BYOD with portaling in to do your work. BYOD is already in use by many departments and that pertains to phones/tablets. As far as using personal devices to portal in, that's still a ways off - but you'd still just bring your device or check into a Connections area to use one of theirs.

How can we even travel for work when we've moved to BYOD? And if we're going to be given loan laptops for travel, will remote users have to request them in advance?

I can think of a few taxation and regulatory issues solved by this stipulation.

I also would expect that for the most part it's like the Renter's Insurance clause in a residential lease -- for the most part nobody gives a sh-t but it establishes the responsibility.

Or it could be yet another of the thousand paper cuts to chain remote workers to the desk like a sweat shop call center, just like cancelling voice mail, bridge lines with breakout sessions, and cell phones for people who do a majority of their work outside standard business hours. That is to say another nudge out the door.

Everyone knows, or should know, the only way WF will ever be able to pay all the fines is through cutting headcount. If they can make attrition voluntary it's even more savings.

I guess time will tell.

And yes, tech is affected.

This place has become a clown show.

@rpy+1eiSrNgh
The difference is right there in your wording. "Traveling for work" has a different set of rules all together.

@wnq+1eiSrNgh
This is the same company who is enforcing the location strategy and making it so even those who work remotely must be living near a hub.

I'll keep this in mind when I travel for work. Zero work while in the airport, on a plane, in a hotel, or any other location that isn't my home address on file. Makes sense. This is what happens when people that have no idea how work is done write policy about it.

It's up to the individual, not WF to ensure any state taxes are paid. I don't see this as a WF liability issue. Tons of companies are remote anywhere...we're not splitting the atom here. It's something WF could formally allow with zero cost to actually become a more appealing place to work.

definitely more about moving and not saying anything. I don't think anyone cares if you go to another location or state for a week and continue to work as expected, but if you start pushing it to multiple weeks/months then you may find yourself in trouble. I guess if you were overly concerned setup a VPN and route it though your home city on file.

@puc+1eiSrNgh - It's not about moving and not notifying the Bank. It's about working remotely from more than one location... say, if you own more than one home.

@mqh+1eiSrNgh
They have been enforcing it for years now. Just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean you won't ever get caught, especially with the spotlight being on RTO.

There are plenty of reasons to complain about WF, but this is ridiculous. WF is legally required to do certain things based on where someone lives which is the assumed remote work location. If you are insane and decide to move to NYC but did not notify anyone, then WF and you would get into trouble for not withholding and paying city taxes.

And a foreign country? In addition to the tax implications of someone working from a different country especially one where WF might not be registered to do business, you have the added legal complexity of taking sensitive client information or trade secrets through checkpoints where you may be required legally to unlock your computer to see what you have on it.

I get there are no layoffs right now due to HR being overwhelmed with changing titles by shifting words around in old titles, but you should at least be able to come up with one of the 100’s of legitimate issues.

OP - ignore the trolls. Like you, I was surprised to see that in the FAQ as well. Within our team we would work remotely from different locations. I did it. Other team members did it. Our manager would also work remotely from various locations. It was no big deal. It will be interesting if they try to enforce it now.

The limitation as I see it, is that the HR system does not support more than one address.

We had a team member who left recently to visit family in Pakistan for maybe three weeks. With concerns that Omicron might impede or delay the team member's return (it had just emerged), we asked about allowing the team member to travel with their company laptop. The response was a big fat no.

Well, it's a bank, you probably can't work from Russia, China, or another country in general.

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You do get the bit where WF has to withhold taxes based on your work or residential location right? Thanks for adding another stupid post. Are the the 'is tech affected' m0r0n?

@OP+1eiSrNgh
It's not new. We had some governance and PM people find themselves without a job when they thought they could keep an address near their hub and secretly move to other areas. They check those things on a regular basis and both of them were caught fairly quickly.

That's always been the rule and was in the Telecommute agreement.