Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

@qhz Not by contacting the manager, absolutely not. This isn't a big secret at Wells. It's drilled into our heads during the interview process we are not to contact an internal candidate's current manager unless they've accepted an offer. During the recruitment process there are other options like looking into performance reviews, but the current manager is not involved.

There is a Develop You course that goes over this policy and other guidelines/ethics for the process. It's for hiring managers but it appears to be open to anyone to take. But it's kind of common knowledge for anyone whose been through an internal interview for the past decade.

@iwv Can't speak on the other people you were crying about, but I'm Gen X. I know that anyone under 60 is probably "millennial," to you so it doesn't matter what I am, but you are clearly out of touch.

There is nothing wrong with telling your manager if you are on good terms and they have earned your respect.

Otherwise, there is no negative to not telling them other than a slightly awkward conversation when you tell them you're putting in your notice. Within WF, as managers we can not reach out to your current manager until we've made our offer and the recruiter has confirmed with you that you've told your old manager. We nor the recruiter are the ones that break the news. We also aren't able to do reference checks with your current manager during the process, and haven't been able to for ages. We have internal "more objective" (supposedly) ways to look into your performance without asking the manager.

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About 6 month ago. On great terms still with my old manager and network.

Do me a favor and ask your boss, boss’s boss, and boss’s boss’s boss their thoughts on this. Also anyone from recruiting, then ask anyone in your hiring manager’s business line. See what they all say.

Or maybe your millennial and gen Z buddies from your local coffee shop know better.

@jpi "Not letting your manager know is terrible career advice. When the hiring manager calls them to ask about you and your current manager is d-mbfounded, they will take it as a bad sign."

Wow, this is infantile. Just how long has it been since you applied for something?

@jpi Oh what a surprise, boomer is triggered by minimum wage because it's not $1.75 anymore like when he was a kid. Should we call your grandson in to help you turn on your laptop again?

@etq Your former manager has no say in your future salary discussions, you bumbling dinosaur.

Some managers will see it as a plus that you have a career plan and are actively on a journey. Others managers will view it as betrayal and will seek to ruin you. WF has more of the latter is my experience... too bad.

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Ok thank you for the advice. How much do you make? Looking to choose whether to follow this sage millennial advice or not.

Never let your manager know that you're "looking".

My current manager is trying to “manage” me out because he doesn’t like me. He thinks i can’t tell but it’s really obvious. one example is I told him i need to pick up my kids from school and then he has one of his other employees try to act like he was reaching out and couldn’t find me even though he had nothing. if i wanted to go for another job internally with a manager the system should NOT let your current manager know but unfortunately i’ve been told that when you enter the Job Search it does give them a warning that you are logging into that page.

@vrb I've never told my managers of a role I've applied for until after I accepted it. Tell your manager all you want, depending on your relationship with them, but it's absolutely not a requirement.

Nope. But unless your manager is an a-ho-e, it’s good to let them know so if the hiring manager reaches out they can put a good word in.

I’d hope not. Because of all of the fake job postings, unclear qualifications, and related issues I definitely don’t think it should be required to notify or speak to your manager simply for submitting an application when there’s often a high chance that it won’t go anywhere.

It should always be up to the employee to decide, but in many cases it would seem that the appropriate time to talk to your manager would be when you make it past the first interview.

No, absolutely not. I’ve been a manager for 15 years here. We don’t get notified if an employee posts for another position and we can’t see it in workday.

If you’re applying for a job and your manager doesn’t know you’re applying for it before you do, you’re not gonna get it. Don’t do it. Talk to them about your career first.

I've never heard that, that seems highly inappropriate. The employees should be able to have that conversation and be transparent when they're ready.

They get notified when you apply for roles.