Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

GSSO Layoffs Inevitable

With the gap of security sales growing between Cisco and the other security competitors, GSSO will need to consider layoffs even though there already has been high attrition. Security competition is growing at a much higher rate and distancing themselves from Cisco in a big way. Layoffs are inevitable as the single digit growth by Cisco is not acceptable. Even the worse security competitors are growing by double digits. CSSs will get bigger territories and bigger goals. TSAs will ultimately be pooled. That is why TSAs are in Click2Expert now so it is an easy transition to the pooled model for phase 2. The current GSSO SLT is completely unable to lead sales and engineering and don’t have the boldness as real leaders to stand up to us and say they made a mistake in 1H. Instead they come up with something that still has not paid out and it is a huge mess with no data to validate if my pay is even right. As a seller, my pay is completely dependent on this and we are ignored by leadership continually. And they wonder why there is high attrition across GSSO. Our poor TSAs have the worst engineering leadership possible who are all about bowing to the Click2Expert disaster that no one wants especially our customers. I talk to my peer PSSs in other architectures and they have made it clear that Click2Expert is a complete disaster and causes them more losses and cleanup. Customers are even complaining about getting a new TSA every time and have to share and answer the same questions. My peer PSSs spend a significant amount of time in internal prep meetings for the Click2Expert TSA.

Literally, security is one of the hottest technologies and top of mind for customers, and GSSO has allowed the distractions of inept executive leadership which has caused mass distractions from goaling, compensation, out of touch with the industry and field, infighting within GSSO SLT, to name a few. This has resulted in ODs, to CSSs to leave in masses. The Click2Expert disaster is making TSAs leave in masses also. Unfortunately, those things above have been the SLT focus instead of actually driving security sales. There is a reason why the competition security sales growth is well in the double digits and Cisco is single digits. The security competitors have taken advantage of the ineptness of GSSO SLT to grow sales at significant double digits distance themselves from Cisco Security. The security competitors are using these distractions with customers and customers are buying into it. That is the reality that GSSO SLT needs to accept whether they want to or not. The numbers don’t lie. The competition is using our sales processes against us to take talent and win deals. They are even using our technical processes against us that happens with other technologies. Many customers ask me if my TSA will still be dedicated to them or will they get a new TSA for each meeting. The competition is literally planting that seed of doubt with customers and it is working. The GSSO SLT is unwilling to re-evaluate and is too inward focus instead of focused in driving security sales.

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Post ID: @OP+1fUsVlp4

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Agree SB and CSG are in over their head but here in the Americas, VW and MK are clueless in running the Americas. VW is literally a used car salesman and MK is only focused on doing what EK says. Poster below is correct, MK has done nothing since being in the role. With these 4, the layoffs are only a matter of time.

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Post ID: @2tne+1fUsVlp4

GSSO is a dysfunctional organization. SB and CSG are examples of the Peter Principle. They are in over their head and have no idea how to run a global sales and engineering organization.

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Post ID: @2jdl+1fUsVlp4

Anytime a sales organization (GSSO in this case) isn't focused on and held accountable for the "Number" that is a real issue. Being a TSA in this mess I see some great products Cisco has and some not so great products. The leaders (SB and CGS) have to answer as to the why we aren't growing. This org needs PSSs that are on par with SEs and TSAs that can go toe to toe with anyone. Not more marketing materials and buying programs.

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Post ID: @1zfw+1fUsVlp4

As for sales, this is what happens when you put someone in charge of the global security sales that has NEVER had a sales leader position in their career.

As for engineering, she is only interested in making everyone what GVE is.

Neither of these 2 sales and engineering executives know the first thing about leading a global team. Then you compound that with neither know anything about security other than buzz words to say.

The Americas sales VP and engineering director are both in over their head and will not listen to the field.

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Post ID: @1xad+1fUsVlp4

@1sph+1fUsVlp4 you mean hardware that actually makes Cisco money? Security revenue isn’t even a round error compared to networking.

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Post ID: @1nsr+1fUsVlp4

"As for product, SBG relies on GSAT way too much. SBG needs to minimize GSAT’s influence to get better. GSAT controls too much from product development / focus which is why we have missed many significant transitions in security."

Anyone who has actually worked with GSAT or the security TAG, would realize that they have influence and create business cases for new features/innovation, but get shot down just as much as generalist SA. The rumor is a few of the GSAT team left because they weren't listened to by SBG.

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Post ID: @1ydi+1fUsVlp4

At least the Security products are mostly software. How is that 180-365 day lead time working out for customers on wireless, Nexus, Catalyst, UCS? Can you say cancelled orders. I think Wall Street is starting to figure out Cisco can't build anything lately with Operations in total disarray.

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Post ID: @1sph+1fUsVlp4

There are Competitors with worse solutions that are growing significantly so it is not all on the products. Products could be better for sure but every vendor has issues. Sales has responsibility here also. There is a need for global executive sales and engineering leaders that are capable of leading at that level. The current global executive sales and engineering leaders may have been great people managers but that does not cut it when you are an executive. Their positions require casting a vision and laying out a strategy for starters. As for product, SBG relies on GSAT way too much. SBG needs to minimize GSAT’s influence to get better. GSAT controls too much from product development / focus which is why we have missed many significant transitions in security.

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Post ID: @wiq+1fUsVlp4

The GSSO Americas Engineering Director has done nothing since coming in but focus on how he can kiss up to EK by putting the TSAs into C2E. It would be nice if he would take the time to focus on the field concerns and remove obstacles so we can actually drive security instead of his making every decision based on aligning to EK’s C2E disaster. The competition is literally using this against us.

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Post ID: @mmb+1fUsVlp4

You’re not wrong but the problem is more fundamental. The product sucks.

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Post ID: @gmh+1fUsVlp4

Cisco will be out of security business shortly. They are doing the same as they did with cloud - missing the whole point and will make changes when train has already left the station. They just dont get it - the current sales ELT SB (Sales) and CGM (Female SE leader) - only got the job becuase they are female - not to be sexist here but they have 0 skills to lead sales and engineering.

As customers move to cloud - CyberSecurity is of paramount important to secure apps and workloads and as they consume SaaS and digitized services. Cisco product team and leadership dont get it on how to sell integarted solutions but positioning bag of bits and you lose out everytime. If MSFT is already into the account on security - forget it.

I hear your sentiments and you have articulated absolutely the problem that exists. As a seller, if you dont get paid well and when you spend tons of time with account teams to win the business - it is bad. I would get out of there - go to a pure cybersecurity company - PAN/FTNT/Zscaler and you will be surprised how much money out there is and what have you missed. You will be more valued outside and if you really work with Anthony " PPT only " Sabella - Get the he-l out... The guy is the most useless PA and going for DSE by licking....

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Post ID: @gqo+1fUsVlp4

Well spoken sir.

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