It’s one thing to force the people back to the office but it’s another thing to make a complete circus of that process. If RTO was, as they say inevitable, shouldn't it be applied the same to everybody? When I came in there were only a few people at the office besides me. That goes on for days. A friend of mine that works in a similar role, just at another place, tells me it is the same story at his locations. For some people RTO is mandatory, while others are obviously spared.
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I specifically asked my manager about how this would be managed for PTO, etc and they said "Oh, you'll have to be in 3 days per week still, no matter what." I felt like she was making it up and trying to scare me off. Other team members in other states (non hubs) were getting very vague on if they had to "RTO" and the manager never addressed people individually in meetings besides that they could "continue as before". I KNEW there was going to be a HUGE level of unfairness in the management of this, and as I was not a manager's favorite, despite performing & helping out the team (which was never reciprocated), I decided for many reasons to leave.
The whole thing is managed with so much incompetence, favoritism, illogical reasoning and lack of transparency, it's majorly irresponsible in a time of economic uncertainty and pandemic to treat employees like this.
Yep same thing happening in my department. We have 2 types of case owners. The more experienced ones get to stay home til at least September because they somehow fall under "contact center". The newer less experienced case owners get the short end of the stick and we go back April aka next week. Makes no sense that we're on the same team, report to the same manager, same department, yet some of them somehow get to WFH for 6 more months. BS!
The threat of RTO is just another hammer that management will hold over our heads.
If your manager likes you, you can work from home. If your manager get mad at you (or is a pr1ck) then you have to work from the office.
RTO is just another "we have power over you" ploy.
The folks who are being hired to replace folks on my team that left over RTO are being allowed to WFH. Cause they can't get folks to accept the job otherwise. You can't make this sh-t up
Totally agree.
So what will happen to the managers who are enforcing some employees going into the office but allowing their favorite employees to continue WFH without official approval or a medical accommodation? Because that’s def happening.
Anyone know what groups are getting exemptions? I heard some underwriters, some phone groups and some risk people but haven't been able to verify the information. Lots of tight lips around here these days!
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I’ll say it again, hopefully it sinks in. There is nothing that says he must work out of “HQ” in SF. Our office in NY is basically the new HQ anyway.
I've been to the office 3 times. Each time, I have experienced a ghost town. My 'neighborhood' may have 50 or so desks allocated and I have only seen 3 or 4 people each day. Some have said other areas are 'more busy', but I've gone to the cafeteria and also experienced a complete ghost town. I look at the worker and think -- who are you preparing all this food for? There is nobody here.
@exv+1fYk08mj many workers have worked from home for years, some decades. Don't you get it - why are workers that have been at home required to commute to their designated location but not upChuck. upChuck should be in SF since that is the defined WF headquarters and he is the leader of the Chuck wagon
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Who says he has to work in SF? There is nothing stating that’s where he is required to work.
Chuck got around RTO by getting an exemption that he need not be present at the defined WF headquarters in SF. Chuck got a 20% increase in pay vs 2% for actual workers. It is good to be up like Chuck.
No, it shouldn't be universal. That's the old "one size fits none" plan. Some roles may benefit from being in office while others may not. Should depend on the role.
Besides, there are some roles that you can't hire in without WFH. That's why entire groups have exceptions to the current policy. You can play hardball on this if you want, but the resulting team won't be competitive. Might as well sell that business.
There are exceptions to every rule. Grown ups accept that reality.
RTO needs to be consistent, everyone back in office, unless you have physical disabilities or something extraordinary. This preferential BS needs to stop, it creates divisiveness among teams and ranks.
If Wells Fargo can't handle RTO, scrap it.
The process isn’t a circus. I wake up, get dressed, drive to the location, and sit down. You are a du----s.
"Everyone is replaceable."
Hi, @kbp. @kow Here. Yep. You are 100% correct, of course. I've told people this for over 20 years now. I'm replaceable, you're replaceable, our boss and their boss and their boss... all replaceable. The loss of a single person won't bring down any established, properly-run company.
The fact remains that if you are knowledgeable, pleasant to work with, and responsible for high percentages of "getting things done" then you will be granted more leeway than those who you might describe in very different terms. Period. That's all I'm saying. Hard to replace. Improbable, but never, ever, under any illusion that it would be impossible :)
Everyone is replaceable. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
We were told if you were on a scrum team, you had to go into the office. Now, I hear a different story. One of the scrum teams I work with said that they are all still remote and not required to go into the office.
I am not on a scrum team; none of the people I work with are at my location. So, I just decided I am not required to go into the office. LOL! F all of them!
I'm with you. I also won't be going in. But I get things done, and in between my getting things done, I field questions all day, every day, helping others get things done that they wouldn't be able to get done without me. So I'll be allowed to continue remotely. Call it whatever you want. I call it making yourself hard to live without.
Or some of us that are "required" to go in just aren't going to go in. I wasn't in the office 3 days a week before covid and won't be after. There is no logic in wasting time and money to go to an office to sit on conference calls all day.
Favoritism will ultimately doom RTO. 3 days in the office will inevitably become 5 days. WF can’t evolve to save it’s life. The exodus in the coming months will be a death blow. There’s no way to survive brain drain. We can’t limp along on life support forever. 🤷🏻
It’s called favoritism.
Simple facts, the world over: Those key players who actually get things done, cause things to get done, and without whom output would suffer immensely... they are always going to get what some of you will perceive as special treatment over those who are only as effective as they are because they know to reach out to those people, and who do so frequently.