Have any of you successfully received a medical or religious accommodation yet?
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Thanks for the honest update about the exemption. If you can please follow up here if there are any other updates. Greatly appreciated.
update: HR said they are holding off on determining whether to approve my exemption for now as they continue to evaluate whether the vax will be a condition of employment. So, for now, continue to work remotely.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-were-deadly-in-rare-cases-governments-are-now-weighing-compensation-11645266603
If your injured by the vax sue Todd and his minions personally!
That's great that you can regurgitate The stats from the people that have gotten almost everything wrong for 24 months. And most of those deaths were WITH covid... not from.
Want me to regurgitate the VAERS data on injuries from the shot?
Worry about yourself and quit worrying what I/others do
@8dgm+1ffltcde as of today, 933k people in the US have died from Covid. And that's probably under reported. The vast majority of Covid deaths in the last 6 months are among the unvaccinated.
There have been over 550 million vaccine doses administered in the US.
Are you suggesting the 64% of Americans who are fully vaccinated are all going to die of myocarditis? Are you going to ignore that Covid ki--s unvaccinated people at 10 times the rate of vaccinated people?
It's a rhetorical question, I know you'll ignore it because you're a smoothbrain. So please, go on not being vaccinated. You'll get what's coming to you sooner or later, whether it just be losing your job or....
It’s “They’re”.
no answer yet on the exemption...... I am doing as little as possible at work until I hear. My guess is their are waiting as long as possible to try to persuade us to get jabbed and then they will tell us to mask, which ain't happening either.
There are three possible results for all you antivaxx doomers.
- 85% of the population of the US dies because they were injected with this sooper skary mystery medicine.
- You keep struggling against it for no reason, lose your job and eventually get the vaccine anyway.
- Die from covid. See r/hermancainaward for details on this one.
ID: @8crg+1ffltcde
Medical professionals have omitted details of the ingredients and effects of the products they push. There are risks involved and moral issues with these vaccines but please go on how it does not matter to force people to receive a vax that violates sincere beliefs..
Look in the mirror and say “I am an oppressor and lack understanding of religious beliefs and cultures”. That may help center you a bit.
For those knocking the conspiracy theorists… they so far have been right. 2weeks to flatten the curve, it’s just one shot, now 2, now 3, fda leaks a yearly mandatory boost.
Coincidence?
You proved my point.. you simply do what you are told… sorry, but you are a lemming..
No long term studies on this vax.. it took 10 years to pull thalidomide and we all know what happened there.. keep on believing the gov and Todd care about you.. hint, you are just another wage slave so keep on producing!
@8hqz+1ffltcde you see, that's the difference between making decisions based on information and inventing far fetched fantasies.
Vaccines help to stop the spread of disease. It's a proven fact, based on 200 years of evidence. There is no factual dispute of that evidence. Smallpox ki---d millions of people and has been eradicated because of vaccines. Polio has been eradicated in countries that vaccinate against it. Vaccination is a proven science and the vast majority of the world's population has been vaccinated at some point in their life, including you.
However, you have zero evidence that getting vaccinated against covid leads to some mind control scheme to make the population complacent. The only evidence exists in your imagination.
A majority of political leaders and media personalities who publicly railed against vaccination have been vaccinated. They said those things for attention, to sway a small, gullible portion of the population into believing lies to gain money and votes. The absolute irony of all this is YOU'RE the one who has been "mind controlled", and it didn't take much effort to make it happen.
There are fewer than 17% of the US population who actually refuse to be vaccinated. Your opinion simply doesn't matter.
So by all means, continue believing conspiracy theories, making up lies and selfish excuses to not get vaccinated. The world moves on without you. BNY Mellon will gladly fire you. The next company will not hire you. Bring this all upon yourself. As the Bible says, you reap what you sow.
@7wbf+1ffltcde - Oh look, one of those "tolerant" progressives!
Watching antivaxxers writhe on the floor, crying like toddlers, is simply DELIGHTFUL. Oh the lies you tell, the mental gymnastics you will perform, the impotent RAGE as you flail helplessly against your own wellbeing in the name of your Fox News and Facebook gods.
You could simply get a free injection and be done with it, like 76% of the population has already done. But no, you invent a religion that is suddenly against vaccination.
Why? Were you not vaccinated for polio, measles, mumps and rubella? What did your God think about that? If vaccination was so important to your God, your soul was DOOMED in elementary school.
Your only faith is in your ego, fueled by lies, driven by those who would let you die from covid just to have something to argue against politically. You are mindless pawns, immune to the irony of your own self destruction.
So the hr counter of “hey, you took all these meds in the past and no issue there right?”
That is where your wrong! Deception by omission by the pharma, govt, and now companies is highly unethical. Imagine only getting the truth after receiving a heavily redacted foia request..
Hr… just realize that being lied to by your healthcare providers to bypass a person’s beliefs only erodes further trust in our institutions.
You seem to be a very angry individual. Please get the help that you need.
These medical conditions - incompetence, stupidity, conservative, republican
Does anyone have any insight on which medical conditions are being approved and what type of documentation is required?
The HR trolls are here on this thread. @1gzs+1ffltcde , @1yfe+1ffltcde, Your snide comments are shameful. @1wnb+1ffltcde, your scare tactics are disgusting. Folks livelyhoods are on the line. Stop harrassing them. Todd and Joen have no right to mandate medical procedures. Employees should not be fired because they don’t want to get a jab for a virus with a 99% survival rate. Todd and Jolen are not doctors. We are as qualified as they are to make medical descisions. Why don’t let us mandate their medical treatment? Sounds fair right?
I filed for an exemption a while ago. No decision has been made until closer to RTO. Yes I got the Tylenol question also. The company has never answered the question on if they will fire unvaccinated employees. Now that the deadline to file your booster status is Feb 18, what they decide should be know the next week. But I have given up on trying to figure out what they will do. I assume the worst and hope someone has a moral compass to let unvaccinated WFH which in the past two years worked fine. But moral compass is in short supply. I mean even companies like Citi who supposedly fired the unvaccinated gave them like 3 months notice on what they would do
- No notice even to this day has been given by the Bank. Shamefully handled
I have yet to hear a decision on my exemption - pretty insulting:
- the intrusiveness of the questions
- the bank thinks it can decide whether my beliefs are legit or not.
Even more than insulting was the complete propaganda they spewed in their line of questioning. Talk about misinformation!
Either way I won't be getting the shot.
I heard a stat a few weeks ago that 8% of the bank didn't even respond to whether or not that are vax'd.......
BNY HR – Your excessive, harassing and hostile line of followup questions are in clear violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Please explain how your questions about tattoos, medical history of an employee’s children, how long an employee has practiced their religion, their church location, how often they attend, other medications that employees may take or have taken in the past, etc. are related to an employee’s job function or providing them with an accommodation for their current religious beliefs they hold today? Please provide the law that allows you to ask these excessive, hostile and unnecessary questions (there is none). You have the right to make a LIMITED AND REASONABLE INQUIRY to employees to assist in determining only why there is a conflict or how you can accommodate them. Your questions are EXCESSIVE AND UNREASONABLE. You are VIOLATING EMPLOYEES RIGHTS and the laws are on the side of the employee in the eyes of the courts.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-12-religious-discrimination#h_9546543277761610748655186
- Sincerely Held
Like the religious nature of a belief, observance, or practice, THE SINCERITY OF AN EMPLOYEE’S STATED RELIGIOUS BELIEF IS USUALLY NOT IN DISPUTE AND IS “GENERALLY PRESUMED OR EASILY ESTABLISHED“. Further, the Commission and courts “are not and should not be in the business of deciding whether a person holds religious beliefs for the ‘proper’ reasons. We thus restrict our inquiry to whether or not the religious belief system is sincerely held; we do not review the motives or reasons for holding the belief in the first place.” The individual’s sincerity in espousing a religious observance or practice is “largely a matter of individual credibility.” Moreover, “a sincere religious believer doesn’t forfeit his religious rights merely because he is not scrupulous in his observance.”
- Employer Inquiries into Religious Nature or Sincerity of Belief
Because the definition of religion is broad and protects beliefs, observances, and practices with which the employer may be unfamiliar, THE EMPLOYER SHOULD ORDINARILY ASSUME THAT AN EMPLOYEE’S REQUEST FOR RELIGIOUS ACCOMODATION IS BASED ON A SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS BELIEF. If, however, an employee requests religious accommodation, and an employer has an objective basis for questioning either the religious nature or the sincerity of a particular belief, observance, or practice, the employer would be justified in seeking additional supporting information. See infra § 12 IV A 2.
**For the purpose of seeking a religious exemption, the organization receiving the request may only make a REASONABLE inquiry into the sincerity of the individual’s claim.
Yep, this seems to be a continuing trend of the Bank getting bad medical advice, bad legal advice and bad Human Resources advice.
Can’t the Bank ever get anything right?
So they basically lie and dont approve anyone? That is religious discrimination. Im sure there will be lawsuits. Religious discrimination should never be tolerated.
A childhood friend left his corporate job because he wouldn’t comply with her vaccine mandate at this company.
Since then, he’s been waiting tables, and has no prospects for a return to corporate (and good paying) work, having left the best job he’d ever had. Many, if not most, companies tell candidates up front they must be vaxxed.
So consider that before torpedoing your careers!
@1znr - This line of questioning is definitely harassing, invasive and excessive and grounds for future lawsuits. There have been other large companies that were given bad legal advice like BNY and resorted to this line of questioning but later backed down after they were publicly outed and threatened with lawsuits. Were you sent the follow up questions thru a link or email from HR? If a link, was there a space to provide your comments for each question? If a link is provided but there is no additional space to provide additional information for certain yes/no questions that you would like to explain, I would suggest copying the questions onto a word doc, answering the questions on there then emailing your responses to HR instead of responding on the link. If a link, were you able to scroll back and forth thru the pages to review all the questions before submitting or canceling to answer at a later time? Did HR provide a timeframe when a response was needed for the follow up questions? In case your exemption is denied, you do have the right to file an appeal. Keep documentation and screenshots of all your responses and conversations with HR in case future legal action is needed.
@1yfe+1ffltcde - what an immature, invalid, and unhelpful response.
The law is crystal clear on this issue. Reasonable accommodation must be provided for those requesting medical or religious exemptions under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, unless it causes “undue burden” to the employer. The last two years of WFH has proven that a reasonable accommodation exists that will not place an undue burden on BNY Mellon.
@1yfe - you are extremely ignorant and do not know the laws.
For those of you in states that do not allow exemptions, if you have a sincerely held religious belief against taking these shots, getting a booster, taking covid tests or wearing a mask, you still have the right to file for a religious exemption under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. If you invoke your exemption (you are not asking BNY for approval), by law they are only allowed to ask a minimal amount of questions if clarification is needed or to determine how to properly accommodate you. If their follow up questions are invasive, harrassing, excessive or have nothing to do with your beliefs regarding this shot or discussing your accommodation, they are in violation of the law and can be sued. Please do your research on how to properly file an exemption and answer their possible harassing line of questions if the shots, booster, tests and/or masks violate your sincerely held religious beliefs. If you have already taken the shots but do not want to get the booster, you still have the right to file an exemption if your beliefs have changed.
Questions like...do you have tattoos or have you ever taken asprin or tylenol. Or have your children ever received a vaccine or medical treatment...pls explain, etc. Also, tried to trip you up on questions about how long you've been religious, where is the location, how often to you attend, etc.
Can't blame them for trying to get you to tell more lies, on the record.
There are no valid exemptions.
@1wtn+1ffltcde - what are some of the 2nd round of questions?
What questions do they ask and where do you request one
HR has came back with a 2nd round of ridiculous and invasive questions. I was very surprised at the amateurishness of the questions. Almost like a snotty teenager thought up the questions. I hope they did not pay too much for that legal advice. Still no definitive answer.
@1tqq+1ffltcde - There is a structure in place, backed by law, for you to keep your job while you look for a new one.
@red+1ffltcde - They are asking for greater clarification. They could’ve simply denied you. I suggest you provide what they need so they can check the little boxes on their list.
@red+1ffltcde What is there to clarify?
@1tqq+1ffltcde - ok, bye, it was nice working with you (well not really)
What types of questions does the exemption ask? I’m waiting for HR to even reply on how to submit for one
I chose to not file an exemption. I don't have a religious reason, I simply don't want to take it. An exemption would only be a temporary shield, take a stand now while it's still possible in this country.
No. HR responded and asked me to provide more clarity on my answers. This is so wrong.