I am very excited! Which company should I choose! I think both are great software/hardware companies! I really do not know which one to choose - the salaries are close, IBM a bit higher..
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Both are really bad. I work with an ex Dell employee (I am no longer at IBM) and he got annual pay raises and bonuses so for that it’s better than IBM, but also after he left his entire team got replaced by people from India. Maybe reflect on why you’re going after these companies who notoriously treat employees poorly? There’s so many better options.
Can't speak to Dell, but IBM has become a really horrible place to work. I don't know which is worse ... the backstabbing co-workers scrambling for scraps of greatly diminished opportunities within a company in severe decline, the lazy and incompetent line managers who will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat to save their own skins, or the middle/senior managers with delusions of grandeur whose only skill is performing or-l services on their superiors. If you have an ounce of common sense, you'll avoid IBM like the plague.
IBM will definitely buttsex you if you stay there long enough. I don't know about Dell.
OP, let us know which company you end up signing up with.
Hopefully its not Dell's consumer division.
Dell. No explanation is needed.
"TheLayoff.com is a website for workers to discuss, connect, and share information in an open environment.
and here I thought TheLayoff.com was just supposed to be an example of a bad UI.
I can only talk about ibm.
Ibm is not a great place for young people. There's a lot of talk about how it treats its older workforce here and it's legit very bad but that masks the fact that young people are also treated very poorly.
- - no career progression- both in terms of pay and higher responsibilities. Why? Because most of the company isn't growing
- bonuses, raises etc. are non existent
- they layoff lot of young people too, it is very arbitrary and based on if your boss likes you.
- if you're an immigrant in usa, ibm has possibly the worst immigrant department in tech. They hire lot of immigrants to make them visa slave unlike other companies.
- your skills might become irrelevant if you don't get to work on any modern code bases.
- culture is very top down, driven by mgmt who have mostly never worked elsewhere (ask your manager this question and you'll know).
So overall right now if they're giving say 10k more than others don't let it block you from a good job elsewhere because while it seems a lot of money now, you'll make that difference easily later with good career progression.
Having worked on the sales side for both companies, I would say the major difference between the two is IBM blames the rep if numbers are not made, while Dell blames management if numbers are not made. That folks is a major cultural difference. PLEASE NOTE there are very poor managers no matter where you work. I have had managers who couldn’t find the bathroom in both organizations, BUT cultural differences tended to bubble to the top and Dells cultural difference tended to error on the employee side. Your mileage may vary so make sure you do your homework and get as much in writing as you can. Best of luck in your future career no matter where you land
"Why would someone post about two job offers on a 'layoff' website?"
This site is about WAY more than layoffs. People discuss all sorts of things here.
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Heck, some people just troll... because that is also entertaining to some :)
Why would someone post about two job offers on a 'layoff' website?
Google….
You're wanting us to tell you IBM... I can tell.
You are going to regret it, if you don't go Dell.
Trust me Dell! IBM is too stubborn with their processes and legacy model to change
Dell for sure
IBM = no bonus, no or extremely small raises, and constant layoffs.
Go with Dell.
If you don't choose Dell, you'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon ... and for the rest of your life ....
Here's the scene from Casablanca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWaqUVac3M
Pay particular attention to where Rick says she'll end up if she doesn't get on that plane ...
Do you want to work for a computer company or a financial engineering company?
IBM is pure he-l. Took away my bonus program so the executives could make theirs. Pure greed!!! I retired a year early, best thing I ever did.
Very hard to make that OTE, Go Dell
Stay away from IBM. They are a discriminative company. They also play with your bonus and laid off people all the time,