Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

PhD Fellowship or Intel?

Considering the state of the world (Russia/Covid) and the likely effect it will have on the electronics industry. Should I accept the offer Intel has given me as a senior engineer or should I finish my PhD ( I have an Intel fellowship and I have 4 years left at a top 10 engineering university)? Should I seek capital or rather intellectual development? I'm in my early thirties no kids btw. I'm worried that due to the political unrest and the massive Intel expansion can negatively impact Intel. Also, last one hired is the first one fired.

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Post ID: @OP+1fs4uV0N

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There are some groups that do interesting work that rarely hire new graduates who don’t have a PhD. You’d have to spend a few years doing boring work before getting to the grade level needed. You might make more money if you leave with a masters and save 2+ years, but I think there is value in being able to learn like you do during a PhD. One concern with this case is that the poster is 30 and has four more years; a 22 year old person in this situation would not have to worry about money as much.

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Post ID: @2prp+1fs4uV0N

Pretend you are going to have layoffs. The ppl identified for layoff are mostly safe. This would help Intel.

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Post ID: @1cmf+1fs4uV0N

@rxl for 3 they need to fire at least 10% of IT, CAD support, etc. Send a message. They should have no problem rehiring people that can do their job for what Intel is paying. Firing should be reverse hierarchy. 10% gr 6 and below, 20% gr7, 30% gr8... do the same for HR but start at 30% gr6.....

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Post ID: @1cyf+1fs4uV0N

I don't believe this post is legit .. mere click bait from a lurker.

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Post ID: @1grp+1fs4uV0N

@roy+1fs4uV0N
That is really bad advice.
Phd's are rare in technical leaders.
It's more common to see masters/bachelors degrees the higher up you go.

Phd is seen as a poor choice as you waste some of your greatest years doing pointless research instead of contributing to something useful in the industry. Now, there is the 1 in 1000 Phd that does something truly useful, but those aren't great odds.

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Post ID: @1cso+1fs4uV0N

Get the PhD and run away from Intel.

Intel is dead end think IBM like company or more likely going the way of Kodak, BlackBerry, Motorola and Nokia. Intel will join that list right around 2026 or 2027

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Post ID: @1lyy+1fs4uV0N

Without a PhD your promotions would be slower . It is true of Intel, Apple & others. I would strongly advise you to get a PHD.

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Post ID: @roy+1fs4uV0N

Stay away from Intel if possible.

  1. Last year Q3/Q4 re-org was horrible. They created new manager positions with no direct report. They hired people outside of the organization and expect them to perform without clear directions/job aids. Check with somebody who works in Intel before you join!
  2. Most of the employees lack of motivation to work. Low employee morale and work ethics. For example: Their calendars showed busy and booked everyday from 7:30am to 6pm. Some people have their calendar booked all the way to Dec 2022. Something is not right!
  3. Some of the teams have too much power and do nothing. For example: IT, firewall, data analytics team, etc. They want to have control in everything but have no motivation to provide solutions. They will open and close service request without resolving the issues. The only time they put in their efforts are when their bosses are copied in the email.
  4. Everything is determined by your WWID. Lower WWID=respect. Higher WWID=rookie & newbie & no respect. It's a hierarchical organization. Make sure you join as >=manager level or you get no respect!
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Post ID: @rxl+1fs4uV0N

You are smart enough to deduce the best option. But I state the obvious: TSMC has a patent library of > 39,000 patents, many many more currently WIP. TSMC has a gigantic technological, production, and ecosystem advantage over INTC now with the vast library covering 3nm and 5 nm. Ask TSMC what customers are unhappy with TSMC technology -- not too many at all. Intel will have to design around TSMC's technology. It is very very doubtful that Intel will ever match, let along surpass the TSMC technology lead. A few new INTC big box fabs at greenfield sites will not make INTC competitive. Now I ask you, do you truly believe INTC will get 5 nm fab processes running and be competitive with TSMC in any arena anytime in the near future?

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Post ID: @kyl+1fs4uV0N

Stay as far away from Intel as possible. If you really want to do basic or applied research, PhD will be useful. If you just want to be a design or process engineer, take your MSc and apply to a good company like AMD or Nvidia.

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Post ID: @bxi+1fs4uV0N

@wvz+1fs4uV0N I'm already a G7 - I have never worked for Intel. I'm doubting Intel's potential.

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Post ID: @rvm+1fs4uV0N

You are coming here and asking such stupid question . Makes sense why you are still at intel. When early 30s you should be in staff role already grade 7 or grade 8 minimum . Grade 6 seems like not so great . Phd in electrical from top 3 useful else waste of 4 years. Phd in cs top 10 is fine . But Phd in general is waste of your 4 years

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