Thread regarding Ford layoffs

They’re going to connect a wire to the Village clock tower and pray for lightning to charge the flux capacitors.

I'm wondering if bill still has hackett on his bat phone. This whole deal stinks of that era of collaboration.

Farley thinks he's a visionary but he's just rehashing what GE did in the 80s. Spoiler alert: It did not work out well. The company has now been split into 2 warring factions. The EV division will look down on the ICE division, and the ICE division will resent EV. You're already starting to see it play out here.

Both divisions will be run by managers competing for limited resources with goals that run counter to each other. If you think the politics and backstabbing at Ford were bad before, just wait. The new system has all kinds of incentives for bad behavior.

Anyone remember when Ford was Ford Motor Company written in script on WHQ? Then they got so much bad press that that had to out the Blue Oval back. These companies will have separate profit and loss statements so they can make one division look good and the other takes the fall. I don’t trust JF and JH wasn’t any better. As always, it’s the little guy that gets hurt.

@prt+1fyAf9ZG exactly! Next Farley will advocate nuclear reactors in our garages to generate 1.21 gigawatts so that you can charge in minutes.

This guy is a snakeoil salesman. Oops this is Ford in 2022. I meant salesperson.

Go woke, go broke. Bye Ford Motor, it was nice knowing you.

Farley this morning :

“Our legacy organization has been holding us back. We had to change”

Great way to generate unity

dusted off halliday & resnick to compute (theoretical) 10 minute full charge time for mach-e 68kwh battery not accouting for losses. any physics guys here, please correct if wrong. any one expecting 10 min "fill-up" in the near future: requires ludicrous voltage or current.

mach-e small battery

68kw*h = 68000 w * h

nominal charge voltage = 220v
68000/220 = 309amps

current required for 1 hour charge

= 309 amps (LOL) for 1 hour @ 220 volts

10 minutes charge time = 6x amps or volts required (10min/60min) = 1/6

= 309*6 = 1855 amps (LOL) for 10 minutes full charge

up voltage instead of upping amps since watts = amps * volts

use factors of 10 for example purposes

could do 10 min charge with 185.5 amps @ 2.2kv <-- dangerous high voltage not consumer-worthy

or 18.5amps @ 22kv

22kv would "only" need 18.5 amps <-- dangerous high voltage not consumer-worthy

not accounting for losses during charging

extra credit: compute the magnetic field strength required
and magnetic coupler requirements for doing this charge energy
transfer via a magnetic coupling instead of copper-to-copper
current flow.

If people thought vax mandates were divisive wait until entire divisions start blaming each other for issues

The second Great Unifier we have…

Why didnt they call it "Ford Green"

We all know bill is green. So w t f?

I wonder who wrote that email announcing the split. WTH does “ democratized transportation “ mean ?

The usual collection of buzzwords in every other sentence …

"The first step in pushing Kumar out the door also appears in the article."

You knew this was coming!! He was setup to take the fall for the AICP backlash and fall out. Reminds me of Jim Carrey in Fun With Di-k and Jane. He'll get job interviews just so the other company can get a laugh and take pictures with him.

No Vax requirement for ICE employee's .

Farley says ICE profits will be pumped into the EV division. Can't wait to see how the AICP is calculated now!!

ICE Folks - you knew this was coming for a few years now and hopefully have been preparing for it.

As a hot rodder/gearhead/gas in blood type guy - this is hard to take.

I see this as a repeat of the spinoff of Ford' Automotive Components Division (ACD) into Visteon back in 1999. The legacy combustion business will be slowly drained of resources, further split up with the units sold off, and over the next 10 years it will be the equivalent of what Visteon is today, just an automotive electronics supplier.

Defining the combustion business as legacy is proverbial nail in the coffin.

I can’t wait to see the financials for the Model e team! So far they are losing over a billion dollars per year, as best one can glean from the combined financials.

Wild theory: EV is being spun off in preparation for either a sale or expanded partnership with Google. That’s why they think they’ll sell so many EVs - Silicon Valley is about to pull the trigger on their long rumored branded vehicles.

You guys who either think ICE is going anywhere - or are just trying to convince others it is - crack me up. ICE isn’t going anywhere. 50 percent is a pipe dream, unless there is some amazing technological leap that they haven’t told us about yet.

And like clockwork BCG (Boston Consulting Group) ensures they get a highly compensated position at the companies the gut. From the article:
“The Model e team includes: Marin Gjaja, a former Boston Consulting managing director, who becomes chief customer officer also heading new business initiatives”

The first step in pushing Kumar out the door also appears in the article.

And yes boys and girls the Train Station and the Dearborn offices 2.0 will continue, and people will continue to flock to Dearborn to work for CarCar sarcasm

The rest is all just Farley patting himself on the back while rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

All of the late great big 3 auto companies spun off divisions that were part of the main manufacturing Company. History repeats itself.
Talk is cheap Jim, better to be like the reserved Japanese and just provide a superior product.
This is all smoke and mirrors, and a justification to cut another 25% of salary employees.

Way back when, Chrysler had multiple divisions that did a lot of things, military and automotive related. When they decided to get rid of certain off shoots, they made a lot of great offers to have people to move to the divisions they were going to dump. Once they publicly announced the sale of a division, the door slammed shut on any transfers back. The majority of the people that went with Chrysler Defense were the dummies and dirt bags that the parent company didn't want, but made them really great offers to transfer. They became the problem of General Dynamics.

If you find yourself stuck in the ICE group, get your resume together asap.

As someone once said in the movie the "RIGHT STUFF" No Bucks No Buck Rogers! The ICE F-Series still makes 90+% of the profits for the company. I still have not seen any numbers for the EVs! Product people want is King. Not some political agenda. I am sorry but the family needs to be held accountable for their mistakes too. "TRAIN STATION".

Visteon 2.0

I thought we had too many people. Not enough executives, apparently. At the worker level, perhaps we need people focused on EVs, but is the ball going to be dropped on the primary source of revenue?

The ICE business will be called Combusteon.

OMG - I feel bad for anyone in the ICE group (a fitting name) as this division will quickly fizzle out and be pruned from the tree.

Two years, tops, and it will be gone.

I think I know what happened... There were rumours about separating the ICE and EVs business (stock went up), then Farley said it won't happen (stock went down) and Bill Ford told Farley to do it, so the stock would be up again.

I see two main problems with this division (and innumerable issues with the execution). The first one is kind of a generic one. When companies make executive actions to raise the stock, instead of thinking in the long term effects over the company, sooner or later, said companies will pay a big price in the short future for the mistakes of today.

The second problem is very particular at Ford now. How in the world are we going to staff both divisions, when people are leaving the company in droves, and we cannot even find people to hire in Chennai, India?