Confirmed from my SEM that we need to update SAGE so there is “better human capital data across the SE organization.” That is such BS. I had a call with my SEM, and off the record shared that it is all about aligning the SA to AM ratio to justify getting rid of some headcount in order to bring the cost of pre-sales engineering down as it is extremely high. Headcount is the biggest expense and the pre-sales engineering expense is out of control and unsustainable based on the projected business model. In short, expect C2E for all starting in FY23 and layoffs.
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The goal of C2E and pooling is to uncover the people that don’t do any work. They will be LRed and the remaining SEs will have large wages to match market rate.
The purpose they are having one update SAGE is so they can move forward with putting everyone in C2E.
They keep having us update SAGE but then never do anything with it. Typical Cisco. Disorganized, slow, wasteful, mismanaged.
Only three more years for me to early retirement, god willing. Then I am out of here.
C2E has nothing to do with helping the field, as its only purpose is to lower the cost of pre-sales engineering salaries and increasing the salaries of TC, EK, and SEDs.
Pooling is a great idea for SVP bonuses. Lower career growth/future bonuses while pocketing the extra org profit for yourself. Replace complainers with people that would happily work for the new compensation structure.
C2E is a disgrace. It does not work. It is all about a pool model that pays less to sales engineering in the long run. Besides having no career path and limiting your professional growth, you are paid at a wider area vs a region or set of accounts. With C2E, you will no longer have the ability to impact your commissions number and blow your number out. You are lumped into a bigger pooled goal and will be paid less.
may I ask what is C2E?
This already happened in Thailand. Can anyone from there report in?
This is actually good news for technical SEs.
Fake news
The below is true about C2E. When you are at 100% utilization by their metric you have no work life balance as you are well over 100% in reality. They don’t want you to know that. Also, when you are that utilized, you have no time for development or any other initiatives that can allow you to grow. Under 100% utilization is not acceptable and will impact you negatively.
Agree it is a disaster. C2E limits professional growth and stagnates your career. You are measured by your utilization and the metrics behind C2E do not take so many necessary variables into account about an opportunity that impact the level of effort needed. With the expectation that you are at 100% utilization, the reality is that you will be at 150%. To top it off, you are getting paid less also. So work more and get paid less. There are no plans for having career progression in the C2E model.
Stop with the lies, man. We know this is never going to happen.
Got similar message from my SEM. C2E is disaster. There is no career path in C2E and it will ultimately be lower pay. That is why they want all of us in C2E, to transition to a lower cost model of us.