Does nobody want to work at Cisco anymore? I find that hard to believe. I understand the top talent going after the better money, but everybody else? Are we forced to accept anybody with a pulse because nobody else is applying or is there something else going on?
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Im at Cisco for money and something to put on resume before jumping ship.. but what I noticed is that ppl who been at Cisco for 3+ years, they arr either delusional or complacent or d-mb or all of the above
"Why are you working here if your own skills are so much greater than the people you are interviewing."
What a d-mb, d-mb remark. Not the brightest bulb on the floor this one.
For college graduates, job is different than the classroom. I also have noticed that some mangers who have been working in industry for a few years lose track of what is expected from a college graduate. I've been in the interviewing panel where my manger was blasting an interviewee of why he didn't know about databases with a good GPA. Also, not all college students take database courses, networking courses, advanced algorithms, data science. It depends on their study program and interests of course. Some colleges are more Java heavy, C/C++ heavy, or python.
Take an example, this student went to "Tiger College" with a heavy Java based classes with security and UI/UX courses as electives, but this student wants to do data science. This person then has to self teach themselves Python and data science, normalization, stats, etc.
For senior people, I just think you forget the stuff you learned in college, since your job is related to a narrow set of skills and projects. Having to learn it again just takes time.
From Cisco's perspective they pay so low that I was manage to get a 65K pay increase from leaving Cisco.
Cisco hires from second tier schools. No one from top tier would consider touching Cisco with their dirty sock .
Kids don’t know anything. Scrum training (not just at Cisco) is to have a marketeer with no engineering skills chew up some worms and ba-f little 2-3 day primary school class assignments into the baby birds who will never take on college level assignments professionally before they are priced out into the street. Cisco’s “bug disposal without necessarily fixing anything” makes the “senior” people largely worthless so junior people are going to learn the wrong way of doing things (think executives screaming “promise you’ll never follow ISO9000 again! PROMISE!” in large international all-hands meetings. And no, those same executives never wondered why branches failed nightly builds for months at a time.)
Look at various Youtube videos from FAANG “leaders” and the claims range from “I’m a senior person and I don’t know what that means!” to “a Principal Engineer is one who can look four and in rare cases six weeks ahead.” No, an Engineer 1 with one year of experience at a good company should be able to start with a clean sheet of paper and lead multiple 12-18 month fixed price projects in the context of a larger program. Finding a company with the leadership skills to grow you quickly into these roles is now almost impossible either out of college or even with decades of experience.
Carlo Cipolla’s second law of human stupidity means no corporate brand, no degree, no title, no amount of experience and no amount of salary will have any impact on how stupid someone is. Those laws don’t seem to address how good people can be made stupid but big companies that can’t form meaningful metrics and can afford those who will do far more damage than deadwood are not where you want to work if you intend to be useful throughout your career.
Terrible education in US and lack of people wanting to work. People retiring...and guess what happens... country and companies suffer...
You get what you give.
The new HR system is pay is inversely proportional to quality.
Look inward.
Or maybe you are expecting too much from your job description, or think you know more than you actually do, or are jaded thinking you should be working in a position of higher authority.
Why are you working here if your own skills are so much greater than the people you are interviewing.
We've been hearing this for 15 years, Cisco obtains high-quality talent through acquisitions. These hires have a different pay grade structure and annual stock awards.
Oh I'm facing this regularly as a hiring manager. Very low quality overall. Lots of college grads that don't understand essential programming concepts, or mediocre more senior applicants is all I'm getting lately.