Why do they make the process so complicated? It shouldn't be easier for an outside candidate to get a role than it is for somebody within the company and that's exactly how things are right now. I don't know what's the logic behind that and I'd love to learn, if somebody would care to enlighten me.
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... the person who was already targeted for that position.
What does that mean?
There are reasons that companies want to go externally for candidates: it injects new blood, new ideas, new skills and new perspectives.
For most positions, you don't need ideas, skills or new perspectives. Most positions are code monkey positions.
When I interview candidates, I prefer internal candidates. An intranet search reveals much about their accomplishments or lack of accomplishments. The candidate already knows the company culture and is seemingly ok with it.
What seems easy/easier if you follow your manager around. Interviewing with a completely new team is hard/er.
I tried moving internally a few years ago. The interviews where identical to the ones given to external candidates and focus on binary tree traversals et al.
I passed these id--tic interview questions upon my first hire - why am I asked them a second time? That's not super difficult but requires quite some preparation. If I spend quite some time for job interview preparation, then I can also interview outside and get all the benefits that go along with it.
PS: my verification number of this post is 42. I love that :)
False. Know several internals who switched over to other BUs (TE, AppD) with no significant resistance. Posters claiming otherwise need to provide more evidence.
Ex Cisco employee here .. have rotated internally many times and so have my colleagues .. one of the most employee friendly policies if you ask me.
There will be a bit of bad blood with your departing team when you inform, but overall I haven't found it hard in ANY way. I was considering an inside move before I left Cisco infact .
If you have the right skillsets , there are good opportunities.
"2nd level mgr here
if an internal candidate is hired for that posted role, then we have to find another hire to replace that candidate who moved from his original internal role to the newly posted internal role."
Imagine if that internal candidates job was being sent overseas or if the team was conducting stealth layoffs to transition to temp workers. You just prevented an internal candidate from transferring.
News flash…leave Cisco for a company that truly values/encourages employees moving about internally…cough, cough 😮💨 AWS
Many of the problems people come here to complain about can be resolved by taking action on their own. Get your skills up to date and get out there to find better career opportunities.
2nd level mgr here
if an internal candidate is hired for that posted role, then we have to find another hire to replace that candidate who moved from his original internal role to the newly posted internal role. now imagine if we keep doing this 4 times for each role until we get someone from outside. yeah, it's too damn expensive and time consuming, hence the need to find someone from outside and be done in one shot.
stop coming on here and acting like cry babies in the school yard. ya'all grown up azz men.
I have been in corporate America for a long time and regardless of the company, it is uniformly difficult to move internally unless you are the person who was already targeted for that position.
There are reasons that companies want to go externally for candidates: it injects new blood, new ideas, new skills and new perspectives. Hiring and promoting only from within can create an inbred situation which is unhealthy for the organization.
I'm an early in career and found it nearly impossible to transfer. There are very few low grade transfer opportunities. Most early in career just leave after 1-2 years for a pay bump and to obtain relevant skills/experience.
Cisco is not the place to rotate around and develop.
That's one of many reasons I left. Most of the roles posted already had candidates identified for them. I found even trying to move laterally for roles that I was more than qualified for was quite the challenge. Didn't matter one bit that I was in acceleration programs etc... I have never seen internal talent movement issues as bad as what they were at Cisco. The only area the company does well with this was early in career.
Ummm switching roles internally is pretty straight forward