This is a good thread boys, a very good one
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If you are retirement age and get the talk. Make them go through the hoops to draw up the PIP. When they give you the drawn up plans. Wait the allotted time given to decide if you accept it. Then tell them to kiss your _____ and say I've decided to retire
Those are a set up to fail. The BS drawn up is a joke.
Karma got my supervisor after I went through this by being fired less than a year of me retiring. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving B.
I was told that my PIP was a technicality and easy to pass. Did nothing extraordinary but occasionally received emails from my boss congratulating me for achieving agreed milestones (that I never knew about) then HR sent a final note that I had successfully completed the requirements.
Others are just the opposite, give impossible subjective tasks then told they failed.
Seems predetermined. Ask before making decisions.
The outcome of the PIP is predetermined. Ask your manager, they might be honest and tell you whether they think you would pass or not. If they want you to stay, you will pass the PIP. If they really want you to go, you will not.
@nwv Based on what I’ve read, I don’t think anybody should take any advice from you period, legal or otherwise.
I’ll reiterate that the best source to consult for legal advise is a licensed attorney and leave it at that.
I'm the poster regarding the 'lawyer wants to see the Improvement Plan.'
That was not legal advice.
It was simply reaffirming that there is NO IMPROVEMENT PLAN in place or intended.
This is essentially a firing, not even a layoff/RIF.
They don't want you anymore.
As expressed by Wall of Voodoo many years ago.
Even has that tejano rhythm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cn-livaDLA
After my initial anger and having people ask me to stay and take the PIP, I PIL'd out and never looked back.
They would not produce a PIP without signing up for it.
Three month paid vacation was fantastic. Lump summed at the end of the year.
Doing consulting work now (not for XOM) and being appreciated by my new employer for my knowledge, experience, and expertise!
My only concern about XOM is as a shareholder.
Life is good!
@aia… Are you me? As he/she said, only my supervisor was in the feedback meeting or any other meetings. Took the pip, actively looked for jobs, had no issues getting several offers… Took 1 and got doubled paid.
Depending on your age, you had different timelines for choosing PIP/PIL. Wait to that last day while all that time continue to apply/interview.
If I recall, the PIP plan took 10 business days to actually make and required some sign offs but like others said, there is no pre plan. Mine was stupid. Some LI cr-p and two projects outside of my job area… Yep, I was so bad that they asked me to help other useless groups do their jobs.
Once I got my first two offers, I was one foot out the door, just waited for the last 3, only got 1 more but made my choice, took a nice paid two week rest and got back on the horse, double paid as I switched from PIP to PIL…
My PIP was 3 months from the start of receiving my plan. So, you could have ~ 1 month of job searching before the actual plan starts. Kind of important to note. Not sure if anything changed but if you see the plan and want to change to PIL, you should be able too anytime on PIP as long as you are showing “improvement”. I think that is an accurate statement, so double check.
Hope this helps some of you folks. Life outside the XOM jail is much better and I really feel sorry for those inside chasing whatever they are chasing.
There is an “army” of ex-XOMers that are getting the word out that this company is just smoke and mirrors.
Not an ounce of talent left…
@lxu That’s a bad way to handle the situation.
For one, once someone has retained an attorney, the attorney does the talking for them. It is rare for someone to procure documents (probably protected by a clause in an NDA signed at some point during employment) on behalf of their attorney.
In other words, a bluff like yours would backfire, because the fact that you’re making it tells the company that you know nothing about employment law. There’s better ways to stall this while protecting yourself legally.
Everyone: do not take legal advice from the posts on this board, including this one. Consult a licensed attorney if you need legal assistance.
PIP’d during the 2021 cycle. Just my immediate supervisor in the room. Went home after the meeting and updated my resume. I accepted the plan once presented a week later, but once I got another job offer, I bolted right away and got paid the last few months while working at the other job.
The PiP is just a way to fire you. They want you gone, so leave. But get paid at least
If your RE in Annandale your going to face PIP .
A post above makes a good point.
If you are informed of an NSI classification (pipping) - there will be at least two attendees beside yourself, I've heard. Not merely your immediate Supervisor. The other person attending might be unknown to you.
You'll be provided with a scripted conversation, informing you of your status and the options/actions for your consideration. That you'll receive more details and documents in a short time. You'll be given a time period - two weeks at most - to tender your decision.
As always, if you have any questions about anything, no matter how minor it might be, you will be free to contact your immediate supervisor. Helping you is the mission assigned to your SPV.
Two days after you've been informed of your NSI status, inform your immediate supervisor that your lawyer would like to see your individualized personal improvement plan (actions needed / areas of improvement / step-plan of mentoring / etc.) in order for you to make a decision on the options presented.
In short: 2 days after the NSI session: Your lawyer would like to review the preliminary Performance Improvement Plan with you prior to your decision.
That will travel up the chain pretty quick. These plans don't exist.
So you will have time to grab you a lawyer if you want one.
A PIP, IDP, PDP, or whatever three letter acronym your employer chooses to give it, is nothing more than a notice that you’re about to be terminated from employment. You should heed it and begin looking for another job the second you’re told you’re being put on one.
Here’s some career survival tips:
- Never stop looking for another job.
- Save your money, especially if you’re working in O&G; you’re going to need it.
- Constantly update and refine your resume.
- Network outside of your company and outside of your industry.
- Develop and sharpen marketable skills that apply across different industries. Put them in that resume that you’re constantly updating.
- Speak highly of your boss to those you know know him, even if he is a no-good, miserable, rotten ba----d.
- Never stop looking for another job.
What doesn’t ki-l you, makes you stronger!
In the round of 2020, of the 5 people I knew were Pip'd, 4 were retirement eligible and immediately took the 3 months and bolted - with the then good lump sums.
These were 4 very experienced mentors and specialists by the way, 3 in Spring and 1 in Clinton.
The other person, 10 years in, tried and succeeded passing the Pip, but left the company early in 2021. Felt like a 'marked' person.
At the time, there was much talk about Pips being a way around Age-related violations if there were lay-off/RIFs. Legal issues there.
Older folks are more expensive to maintain, even past expiration.
I understand you want to know more about the Pip process itself, but I myself never saw the documents exchanged or deals made. Legal docs, for example, needing notarization.
But here's an interesting point: There was NO PRE-PREPARED IMPROVEMENT PLAN presented to any of the people I know Pip'd in 2020. Not at the time of the Pipping.
So - you know - the company is asking people to walk blind into the pit.
How long is PIP period?
I’ve a few close friends on the PIP. Two quit immediately and the other two worked their butts off but were ultimately fired. It was absolutely painful to see how hard the two who stayed tried to keep their jobs. Sure, I hear stories that some survive the PIP process, but from my experience it is always a “death sentence”.
had a good friend on a pip. they told her about it on mon, she resigned on tue.