The new position comes with more responsibilities and more work. My manager said I would be getting a raise in a few months, it's just not possible right now. I feel that if I accept, there's a possibility they'll think it's a done deal and never come through with the raise. But if I refuse and say I want to wait, then I think I'll be putting a huge target on my back. Please tell me somebody has been in a similar situation and can share what happened?
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Basically 100% of the time, you move into a new position that’s harder with more responsibility and you have no assurances that compensation will reflect the new job. That’s the way it works. It can indirectly contribute to a new CL after a couple of years though.
Man up, boy. Never turn down a promotion. Take it and do your best, pay always comes . Focus on your efforts and the pay will take care of itself.
So I’m the guy that down voted you. You totally sound like a millennial. I think what you’re truly saying is that you’re not ready for the responsibility or devoting time and effort into being responsible for something besides your call of duty account.
You’re either the best at what you do and the man or woman for the job or your manager asked the wrong person because in secret you’ll blame the company for your daddy issues.
This situation is very common. You take the job and do well in a few months you’ll get a nice raise and the rest of the toe suckers that couldn’t cut it will be calling you a cork soaker. Hence the ladies below. Or you truly know deep down you just need to call your mom and see what she thinks. Then I would pass and move on.
Seriously man you went to college and stayed in a dorm right? I didn’t but I get you were scared. This is much different. Go in there and run that sh-t or shut up and get PIP’d. Your choice.
Almost 2 decades with the company this is pretty normal. If the CL range of the position is higher in growth then your current one it’ll lend to quicker CL promotions over peers. If you plan to have a long term career then a no brainer if your just here to get skills for a few short years then bounce then say no.
Take the Carlsbad offer.
Midland is too high faluting!
You are either already well ranked and n line for a CL bump or not. This sounds like an empty “promise”. I once moved to an entire different business line on of these “promises”. Worst move ever. Glad to be out of there.
Life is short, and you only live once. why take on more responsbility without a pay increase. you will regret it. I would counter with a 10-20% pay raise given increased responsiblity, inflation, and no crystal ball. they probably already have someone lined-up to take over from you once you figured out the job. From my experience.
“We need to monitor you doing the job before we pay you more money for doing the job.”
This is classic corporate America. Pay you at a lower pay grade than the role requires as a way to stand out among your peers. In reality they have no ba--s and are “yes men” to their bosses in hopes for the same pay increase.
The last few years, I’ve been offered multiple “opportunities” that have brought me nothing but much more work and empty promises. Last month, when I was was once again offered more work which would allow me to have “more exposure”, for once, I hesitated.
I asked if we can finally consider a pay increase. I have been a hard working team player. I have taken on many new duties without hesitation and lately been asked to working more hours. Not only did I not get consideration for a raise, I was treated as I was being ungrateful and greedy.
Lately, I have been casually looking for another job, because I really wanted to hang in to see if things changed for the better here. Now, I’m just going to review some recent offers and move on.
Turn it down and Next development opportunity will go to someone else. Promotion Guidelines will determine when you get your net promotion. If the job allows you to grow and expand and show your breadth and depth of talent, then it will eventually get you promoted. The company values flexibility. If you are reluctant or afraid...quit
It sounds like more work with the same pay. Great deal.
Why would you decline the position?? Move to the new position. It likely means:
- Your span of control will probably be higher and scope of responsibility is higher. This gives you more opportunities to deliver more results at broader level, relatively, to peers in your assessment group, which gives you a better chance at a higher assessment category
- Your potential may get boosted in next potential planning period due to bigger position (especially if you do well)
To get the CL bump promotion, you’d want a higher potential, at least E or O/OPD category for 3 years in a row, and a YE that allows for the bump (YE required for a bump in a promotion guide goes down as potential goes up, and last 3 years of great assessments are maintained).
sounds like an opportunity to fire someone for not satisfying the job requirements vs getting laid off.
Promotion (CL increases) are usually planned or decided during the salary planning cycle in 3rd quarter. If you're moving into a supervisory / management position, getting a CL bump (for next January) will be easier to push through during the salary planning period. If your new position is an individual contributor role, a promotion could be limited by the advancement guide criteria (even if your supervisor wants to make it happen).. Your supervisor should know or can ask HR if you'd be eligible for a promotion for the next cycle even in an individual contributor role
Getting a promotion out of the salary planning cycle (ex-guideline) is much more difficult. It CAN be done, but it'll have to be approved by ~ VP + or - one level. Someone would need to muster up the courage to go up the line and fight for it out of the normal salary planning period
“Offered a promotion without a pay increase”
The term you’re looking for is “lateral move”.
My advice to everyone offered a promotion without a significant pay raise is to politely decline it.
If the new position could result in repetitive motion injury - do not take.
You don’t get promotion with a new position. This is how it works in Exxon. All the comments here are BS.
I’ve been screwed over like this before. They give you a new position that sounds exciting but requires double the work. No support given. Then there is a bait and switch.
Anyways, if you can’t turn it down just make sure you draw boundaries of how many hours of your life the company is entitled to.
I’ve been screwed over like this before. They give you a new position that sounds exciting but requires double the work. No support given. Then there is a bait and switch.
Anyways, if you can’t turn it down just make sure you draw boundaries of how many hours of your life the company is entitled to.
Such a deal,you’d be crazy not to take it….
Such a deal,you’d be crazy not to take it….
This is my experience with XOM. They don’t give raises when people are given positions with more authority (FLS, SLS, etc…). Just a potential to make more in the future and greater chance for a CL bump. Just an assurance that if you accept, it will work out for you in the future.
A new position is not a promotion.
A promotion changes CL and has immediate increase in compensation.
Maybe the superior mis-spoke. Got a little confused.
Try to get something in writing. Promise of a CL bump for instance, since that’s (mostly) independent of your assessment
Agree and search for new opportunities; besides, in your resume, you have a better position and thus can try to get a better pay on your next job
It’s a huge RED flag imo. I would accept and wait for the raise while searching for other opportunities
This sounds like a scheme to royally sc--w you. I would say run away, more responsibility and no raise? No thanks