Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

Good Salary Research Tool

H1B salaries have to be reported to the government and are disclosed to the public. This site aggregates all reports for all companies, I've filtered out data using EXXON as the keyword. There are only eight Exxon salaries reported in 2022 but there are hundreds more in previous years. Here is the link:

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=EXXON&job=&city=&year=All+Years

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Don’t bother, Dunning-Kruger models like @2yzw never get it.

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Post ID: @3awp+1hzAFCg5

@2yzw You sound like a butthurt American with a mediocre undergrad degree

“But I’ve been doing this (wrong) for thirty five years!”

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Post ID: @2gyj+1hzAFCg5

Well, the tool referenced by the OP is still quite useful for reference.
Compare, for example, against Shell, Schlumberger, etc. in similar role/location.

But, sorry, i get back to the topic.

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Post ID: @2cta+1hzAFCg5

@1sxt How many jobs outside of highly specialized research truly require a PhD? The answer is very few.

For those few jobs, there is more than enough domestic intellectual talent to source and/or funnel into (very expensive) graduate research programs. You also forgot to mention that most foreign-born graduate students studying in the US come from very well-off families, making this particular use of soft-power a form of class selection.

This stratification via soft power comes at the expense of American students, who, making up the majority of undergraduates, bear the brunt of the tuition costs. Foreign graduate students are often receiving generous (federally funded) grants, again, at the expense of American students.

And yes, after five or more years of professional practice, there is very little distinction between holders of a B.S., M.S., or a PhD in most STEM disciplines, unless someone is working in String Theory or some other esoteric branch of theoretical science.

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Post ID: @2yzw+1hzAFCg5

Another solution would be to require the employer to pay the equivalent to an American employee. I think that would level the play field.

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Post ID: @1fci+1hzAFCg5

H1B program should be made illegal. Plenty of American workers.

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Post ID: @1pvg+1hzAFCg5

@dmm Something like 75% of PhD candidates at US universities are foreign born. So no, there aren’t copious amounts of Americans who can do these specialized jobs.

@1ocp There’s no difference between an undergrad and a PhD in the same way that there’s no difference between a Toyota Camry and a Porsche GT3. They both perform the same function well on a daily basis, but only one is capable of doing world class lap times at the Nordschliefe.

You dont need a PhD until you do. Then when you dont have that expertise and need it, what you have is a bunch of guys screaming about how much “experience” they have, who don’t actually understand the basics of the problem, who make things worse by running around like monkeys trying to eff a coconut.

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Post ID: @1sxt+1hzAFCg5

@1hoh In my opinion, the further the individual is from when they graduated, the less relevant the degree itself is. In STEM disciplines, there is very little difference between holders of B.S., M.S., or PhDs after five years of professional experience. There’s also very little difference in salary, especially since salary curves were flattened industry-wide some years ago.

Credentials became grossly inflated during and after the Great Recession, and only recently has this begun to normalize.

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Post ID: @1ocp+1hzAFCg5

@dmm

It's amazing how many people in HR are localized for their "unique skillset" when they also hire students with a bachelor's degree

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Post ID: @1hoh+1hzAFCg5

Salaries listed seem consistent with any employee in that role at that location.
It is a good salary reference guide for anyone.

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Post ID: @1esx+1hzAFCg5

I've never seen nor known of a single H1B that has been Pip'd.
World-class scientists and engineers. That's what they are in EM anyway.

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Post ID: @1cqj+1hzAFCg5

HR will only provide sponsorship to PHDs. All others need SVP approval.

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Post ID: @1lcj+1hzAFCg5

@dmm Obviously we need visas so we can bring people in from KL to do contact engineering jobs for $40K. There’s just no way we could find Americans willing to do those jobs.

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Post ID: @1zom+1hzAFCg5

@OP H1Bs have been very limited for the last five years. One of the few bright spots of the previous administration was to restrict H1Bs, including for tech companies. Thankfully, the current administration has continued the same policy and then some.

No US company is going to convince me that they can’t find someone with the qualifications they need in the US labor pool. The days of getting someone from India with a PhD and five years of experience for $55k a year have been gone for a long time, and they’re never coming back. Sorry hiring managers, you actually have to pay people what they’re worth.

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Post ID: @dmm+1hzAFCg5

The only H1Bs hired were non-resident PhDs in research. Management now considers research a waste of money - all they care is cost reduction by leveraging technology centers. Proprietary research is going down the drain and so will our competitive advantage.

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