Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/cisco-plans-to-tech-a-ride-on-indias-digitisation-wagon/articleshow/107891027.cms

Wow! Only more than two decades late, but it wasn't the Indian management pushing it. Cisco was actively starting to move work to India at the turn of the century. There were a limited number of locals to hire and every other company was competing for them so we were offered the change to move ourselves there for a 75% pay cut. Back then management was explicit in all hands that cost was the driving factor. Years later they said explicitly the goal was to have an average engineer age of 25. They also started frequent layoffs in 2001.

Why is all of this news every layoff cycle??

And 2024. Cheaper to train AI in India. All the corps are doing this.

It’s very odd statement by company saying it’s part of December’s layoffs as there was no communication as previously. They kept it stricktly in secret. Europe is heavily impacted too. Many managers of different levels who worked for many years losts their jobs. If we all knew, we would look for new jobs much earlier. Those are high performers. What a shame!

many Indian people i worked with over 21 years were great in their job. but the model to move work to india highlighted that often india resumes were misleading on actual education and skill. This resulted in more cost bc it was buggy, or took much longer, they did not know how to do the work or how to figure it out.
bottom line - the metric of cost per hour is short sighted if takes 2-4x to get the job done.

APO engineering will be impacted. No mention of when the axe will fall. Oh well.

The 'rebalancing' means moving jobs to India and, to a lesser extent, China. The real estate shrinkage in San Jose and Raleigh are testament to that, since the number of employees will be back to the pre-announcement level in a few months but few in the US. This pattern has repeated several times over the last 14 years. When asked directly, the senior executives obfuscate and bloviate. Unless Cisco ends up with Asian Chairman, CEO, and executives it will be the modern version of the mercantile colony. Where the power and profits are held by a very well paid diverse and inclusive executive team and board in the US, served by a mainly Indian team of workers. This will solve the H1B visa problem though. I have never understood why corporate tech giants with campuses in Asia need any H1B visas at all.
The supporting data can be found by looking in the directory tool and filtering by location and blue and red badged employees. It paints quite a picture!

Got to love how they have come up with yet another new term "Rebalancing"! What an incredible insult and just let this sink in. While 4,000 people will lose their job Chuck will make 25mil plus this year.

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I tried to contact the guy in India to train him as best I could. Of course he was always busy and did not have time

Haha. The Indians I work with are always busy when you try and contact them, but when they want you, they relentlessly ping the team space and also LOVE to send multiple emails while copying your manager.

I took early retirement in 2011 (Lawrencevile, Ga). I enjoyed working there until the last year when they implemented “agile”. I knew then that we were heading for a dehumanizing sweatshop work environment. Happily retired now.

Indians by nature are racist, their cast system teaches them to look down on others.

DO NOT REDEEM THE CARD

Can confirm that a very important legacy product is being moved to Bangalore. I don't know how many people are aware. I suspect not many at this time. The LR will be used to justify the move probably.

There's a fine line between a company having an international presence in India vs simply using it to offshore US jobs. How much ORIGINAL development comes out of Bangalore?

indians to the moon and back, btw tech sector is booming in india, we have a great talent who is ready to innovate and make a dent in the universe, and companies (including cisco) are recognising that. It was true 20 years ago and it can't be anymore
true today. not saying that those who are not indians are not talented, just saying that stop being racist and recognise that we are living breathing LEARNING humans too. By the way english is my second language, how is it?

you are right, you just don't matter anymore, Indian labor is cheaper

Dang, the racism is alive and kicking in this post. Sad to see people so bitter about getting out skilled with the spreadsheet talents

Cisco is a highly political machine, and you survive if you know how to play the game.

He was Indian, and he didn’t like anyone that was not Indian!

He could have done his own research before joining Cisco

https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/116644/the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/

I hate Cisco with every fiber of my being!!!! What this person has posted is so very true!!!!!
After 20 years my husband got laid off because he is white!!!!! His boss had only been there 8 months!!! He was Indian, and he didn’t like anyone that was not Indian!!! Horrible, simple horrible!!!!!

"It is not uncommon for Indians to pay their superiors a cut of their salary."

What a boatload of horseschitt!! The worse part is you actually believe that sort of nonsense. At the very least, provide reputable, verifiable sources if you're going to sp-t out such bologna.

It is not uncommon for Indians to pay their superiors a cut of their salary. It's one of the reasons Indians mostly hire Indians. It's not just racism, it's for financial gain.

This was their strategy since 2008 (maybe even earlier). I remember a SVP at Cisco telling everyone how successful this was for Sun Microsystems and that we would be wise to model it. Yes, real successful indeed.

Thanks for the insights, but here's a real world case scenario. I left with ER in 10/2020 (SJ) and my job (somewhat unique) was getting taken over by an engineer in India. I had a month of float time after I accepted the package to my final day and I tried to contact the guy in India to train him as best I could. Of course he was always busy and did not have time. Based on my unique skills, I easily found a position at a good company before my final day at Cisco. Anyways, almost hit the 2 years mark now and I still see the exact job description of my position at Cisco over and over on LinkedIn. Why can't they just hire 4/5/10 Indian developers to do this?? Hmmm...

Cisco TOP Indian management have decide to move Software Engineering Jobs from USA to India.

Cisco’s white American management decided this more than two decades ago and encouraged us in all-hands to move to India for a massive pay cut.

Finally we can fully blame India for all the bad code.

Run IOS from before the massive growth in India through static analysis and learn how bad most American developers are. The attempts to bug fix replacement operating systems into existence by the the people who learned nothing from the original failures are also very poor. Short of yet another ground up effort developed entirely in India the code bases will always have failure from many countries including the US plaguing them.

This is just another weekly post of surprise that “Cisco may lay off people to save money for the first time ever - how could this happen?” If this kind of thing didn’t happen before there wouldn’t be an entire website about it.

Don't worry. Cisco pay in India is not catching up with the market anymore; then, they can't get the talents they need. But, knowledge base still stays in India as they shifted lots of development work to service firms.
You need to wait until the top guys realize service firms can't bring significant values to build the product road map. They just provide in-n-out personel.

i works in usa enginee makes $850 day. me only = 15 enginees india

Just to clarify my original comment in @2zit+1iD0up6n, those ratios given were based purely on what my good TAC friend told me regarding pay. An Engineer in our country cost about $350/day while it was mentioned the daily rate for those in Indian was in some cases as low as $30/day.

1 USA Engineer = 4 Indian Engineer.

I've heard from former BGL staff that it's actually much more. I've heard in some cases it's upwards of 6:1 => 10:1.

1 USA Engineer = 4 Indian Engineer.
If I were the Cisco CEO, I would move all engineering jobs to India.

Hmm, is it really diversification when you move to a caste based location? 20 years ago it was horrible when we started moving hardware and production support over there. The worst managers I had were indian. They tried that caste based approach on us and they were horrible.

Finally we can fully blame India for all the bad code. Yes, it is sad that Cisco talks this big diversity game but you look at the org charts in Engineering and you can see the majority. JD will be leaving Cisco soon just like TN.

How hard can engineering be, after all

Very hard ... at least for those who did not make it into the USA.

Great news to me , hope this is true !

Any job that doesn't require customer interaction has been moved to India. You train the new hires if they don't have experience. How hard can engineering be, after all

What is new ? It has been the “strategy “ for over a decade