Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Lump Sum Pension (Staying at Ford)

Ford eliminated pension in 2004 and started offering pension buyouts to those who previously quit/SIRP with lump sum offers in 2010 because they want pensions off their books as overhead. Todays remaining pensioned employees have the highest lump sum payout they’ll EVER have again. The FED knows they messed up keeping rates at 0% far too long. Pretty soon 4% will seem low as it did the prior 40 years. Lump sums drop 22% and smother 22% most likely this time next December 1.

Ford is about to go through the toughest period in their history as young people don’t care about cars, unless the car is like an iPhone (utility). Old people are done buying cars and have lost 20% in their fixed income retirement portfolios while inflation is just starting to rage, Democrats are raising taxes, paying off college debt, and energy costs in the green new deal which exasperates the inflation. The used car market has only started to tumble which will collapse Ford Credit profits (the only part of Ford making ALL the profits). Warranty costs are beyond comprehension. While Stellantis is thriving at massive margins. And don’t even mention Tesla who are just starting their exponential US and global growth. It costs them $35K to make a Model Y and sell it for double. Model Y is 2023 best selling vehicle in the world. Transitioning to EVs is a herculean effort just ask Elon.

If Ford survives the next 3 years it will only be with government loans.

If buying out pensions was a good thing for Ford on 2010, what do you think they will do in 2024 with lump sums almost halved? I have 0 doubt they will convert anyone left to 401K by cashing out of the GRP at the lump sum number on September 2023.

Saying there is a rough road ahead for junk-bond status Ford today is the understatement of this century

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Post ID: @OP+1iV8RMR8

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DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CAUSING INFLATION. IT IS A GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE. WILL BE FIXED AROUND JANUARY TIME FRAME.

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Post ID: @8uey+1iV8RMR8

Ignorant? Ouch. Sorry you got canned last month. We had a big party after you left. No worries about redistributing your work....since you never did jack.

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@1gra+1iV8RMR8

You're ignorant. The green deal had sizable chunks in all of the big pieces of legislation this Democrat held government has passed. Including The Inflation Reduction Act, which has done squat to reduce inflation. But was full of Green New Deal initiatives.

Do some research before just declaring the Green New Deal a nonbinding resolution. That resolution has seen lots of movement in the last two years.

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Post ID: @3niw+1iV8RMR8

there are still some of us in the GRP who aren't eligible yet to leave, since we're not 55. we have to just wait and hope but in reality, we have a number now, your estimate lump sum is this at this date. i'm working backwards from that and figuring out salary to jump to, and dump the pension idea all together.

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Post ID: @2kkw+1iV8RMR8

@OP. "exasperates the inflation"

Exasperates the taxpayers and exacerbates the inflation, but I still agree whole heartedly with your post.

Thanks

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Post ID: @2grw+1iV8RMR8

I was laid off in August. I'm moving the lump sum to a Rollover IRA and not looking back.

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Post ID: @2pgz+1iV8RMR8

Facts matter. Lump sums began in 2012, Model Y is not the best selling vehicle yet, the Green New Deal was a nonbinding resolution that did not come to a full vote...Etc.

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Post ID: @1gra+1iV8RMR8

OP: I take it you are planning on taking the lump sum and are very upset you were not SIRPed last month, missing out on that big severance package.

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Post ID: @1mzw+1iV8RMR8

Op, I must say, this is by far the most well written post I have ever read on this board. Well done! And thank you!

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Post ID: @1zue+1iV8RMR8

OP: Very Well Said. You are spot on!

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Post ID: @1vmt+1iV8RMR8

However the pension fund is well funded so staying on, plowing ahead, if you accept the annuity option, is an alternative

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