Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Apps made by automakers not satisfying user needs

Oh no, how will we sell our subscriptions and data if our apps aren’t as good as Apple’s?

Millions of drivers use smartphone apps to help operate their vehicles every day, but not many are satisfied with them, and it’s hard to find independent evaluations of how they work.

That’s the bottom line on customer research by J.D. Power and my own new-vehicle tests.

J.D. Power reports 38% of owners used apps developed by the automaker on at least half of their drives last year. The figure has likely increased in 2022, as the features become more widely available and sophisticated.

The FordPass app can be used to pay for electric vehicle DC fast charging.
Despite that, app problems were the third-most-frequent problem in J.D. Power’s 2021 Initial Quality Survey.

The apps, which nearly every brand offers, allow drivers to do everything from scheduling service appointments to starting a vehicle remotely, planning trips and paying for charging electric vehicles. The apps also can offer simple diagnostics like checking tire pressure or to access “Hey Alexa” onboard digital assistants.

But they frequently fail, due to problems with connectivity, incorrect information and other issues.

Many users abandon the apps in frustration.

“Owners are looking for accurate real-time information about their vehicle, which many apps are currently not providing,” said Frank Hanley, senior director of global automotive consulting at J.D. Power. “While app speeds are improving, accuracy and stability are not in many cases. The apps are also lacking many of the features that owners want, causing many owners to say that the app is providing no real value.”

That makes the whole process a waste of everybody’s time — the customers who threw their hands up in frustration and the automakers that invested significant time and talent in the apps and the features they’re supposed to control.

Smart Hitch is designed to help customers easily load trailers and better practice safe towing. Smart Hitch measures the tongue weight of a trailer being connected, to help the customer distribute trailer weight correctly. After the trailer is set up in the center touch screen, Smart Hitch calculates its tongue weight and provides guidance on weight distribution or hitch overloading on the screen, on the FordPass™ app or within the smart taillamps. The truck also will indicate if the hitch weight is too high or low and can even guide owners through properly tensioning a weight redistributing hitch. (Preproduction screens shown are subject to change.)

The apps aren’t limited to luxury brands, or even expensive vehicles. Some cars and SUVs in the heart of the market offer advanced apps.

J.D. Power says owners of domestic brands are the biggest app users, with 50% of users saying they use the app on half their drives and 27% saying they use it every time.

Common complaints included connection speed and poor explanation of features. J.D. Power studied 32 brands for its survey.

The apps can be very convenient. A test vehicle’s key fob sat on my kitchen counter for days thanks to a feature that let my phone function as the key via an app. Another app allowed me to fast-charge an electric vehicle simply by plugging it into a commercial DC charger — saving considerable time and no little frustration compared with using several different charging companies’ proprietary apps.

Unfortunately, automakers’ apps are vastly more difficult to activate than the quick and easy apps smartphone users have come to expect.

Owners can use their smartphone with the Lincoln Way app. Features include lock and unlock the vehicle, open its trunk and, most important, start and drive it – no smart key fob necessary.

I need a human for WHAT?

When I scheduled a vehicle specifically to evaluate its app, it took an expert from the automaker more than half an hour working in my driveway to connect it to the company’s server. On top of that, I was told it might take days for its features to be available, because the app department works bankers’ hours.

Human intervention? What is this, 2006?

Automakers love to think their products are uniquely complicated and significant, but millions of people have safely activated smartphone apps for vital financial and medical transactions in seconds, at their convenience, not their supplier’s.

And I got off light. A company rep came to my house. Customers, who have just handed over thousands of dollars for a new vehicle, are told they have to do it at the dealership, sometimes by scheduling an additional visit.

If the App Store worked this way, nobody would ever have cared if the birds were angry.

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Fordpass is the biggest app in download size, uses the most memory and battery of any app, and is down more than it is up.

But, we added supposed to trust that they in-vehicle apps that they are working on with Google will be better? 🤣

Wait until downloading an app to your EV depletes your driving range the way FP depletes your smartphone 's battery! I was a software dev for connected vehicle. The inefficiency in our vehicle communications is astounding. The in-vehicle communications will be no better.

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Post ID: @3cih+1iZz2bA2

I got the message about the Lincoln Way app (they are right, I never use it). The second they try to charge me a cent for that app I never use, account gone, app uninstalled. What do I like? Nothing.

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Post ID: @3xod+1iZz2bA2

Some newbies developed a cool app in a week. It worked reliably and quickly while running directly on iPhone picking up data from sensors. They were required to rewrite it using Ford common platforms. After a six month ordeal filled with bureaucracy the end product was sluggish and unreliable. It stole the joy of the two newbies both quit. Think about this 24 apps could of been written in the six months of converting one app to the blessed Ford common platform, which most everyone knows is a hunk of junk. It is unlikely Ford will make money on software when clever, talented individuals can create a reliable phone app in a week.

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Post ID: @2ubf+1iZz2bA2

The foundational consumer platforms that fordpass, Lincoln access and now Ford Pro are built on are garbage. The con artist (bs artists) that flocked to Ford Pass 10+ years ago continue to move around within the space propping up their castle in the sky proclaiming how great it is and anyone who tries to actually create a solid usable platform is attacked by the gang of con artists. The group manager of Ford Pro Intelligence always lets us know that if you aren’t with him you are against him and you will be gone. There is no transparency and truth, all is hidden from senior leadership. But in the end you can’t hide the garbage from the customer, it sees sunlight when the apps fail. Wouldn’t it be better for Ford in the long run to focus on quality and truth?

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Post ID: @2ggy+1iZz2bA2

I've had a lot of trouble using the FordPass app. It is not intuitive and is difficult to navigate. It freezes a LOT. It tells me I have "points to redeem" but with no explanation as to how to redeem them. Generally the only thing I find it good for is checking fuel level, miles and tire pressure without having to go outside. Even the vehicle location (gps) does not work right, its a delayed update. My wife drives off and if I check 10 minutes later, it still shows the car in the driveway. :((((

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Post ID: @2kko+1iZz2bA2

OMG! You’ve got to be kidding me! This is what f~face Farley intends to sell to people by subscription?!?! I honestly thought there must be something in the works (self driving?) that we don’t know about yet that he intends to charge people for.
I just got a survey from Ford pass, “hey, we noticed you haven’t used your app In awhile” (Which pi---s me off to no end that you are monitoring my usage that closely) asking what I liked and didn’t like. There is seriously nothing in the app you can’t do easier or faster another way. What a joke! To even consider charging people for this cr-p is so completely clueless - I’m completely d-mbfounded.
That got me thinking - if they do start charging for this c#appy app what’s to stop a smart guy from hacking the signal from the car and creating a Bobpass or Stevepass app to sell? How hard could it be?

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Post ID: @2qwp+1iZz2bA2

Ford needs to develop a Fire Alert App that will alert owners when their Ford vehicle starts on fire. The App can look like the Ford Blue Oval logo with flames coming off of it. Just an idea.

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Post ID: @1oup+1iZz2bA2

does it matter? farley just fired thousands to save a few dollars paying pensions. he hired id--ts from tesla, apple, hewlett packard and renault - the clock is ticking and he knows if he doesn't produce results he's out. feel bad for poor thai-ta-g - he really cared about fmc and was made the fall guy just like joe heinrichs. hey does anyone know when most ll2/3's contracts are up? lets see who doesnt get renewed?!

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