Despite the fact that the job market is not ideal at the moment and there are many hiring freezes, many people are still leaving here... at least judging by the departures of the colleagues I work with. That's why I'm wondering if cuts are necessary at all?
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"VMware and Meta have no future. I'd avoid them as if they were Cisco and I was on the job market."
VMware is already in a hiring freeze. Once the merger with Broadcom closes, everyone is expecting mass layoffs.
https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/aviatrix-ceo-on-potential-post-broadcom-vmware-layoffs-and-why-on-prem-market-is-the-titanic-going-down-
"AWS, VMWare, Meta, Google, MSFT, Salesforce, ServiceNow are all hiring."
VMware and Meta have no future. I'd avoid them as if they were Cisco and I was on the job market.
LRs are like Christmas' to Fran and her crew. It shows that they add "value" to the company and justify their own bloated headcount. No way they will skip it even with a high level of attrition.
Amount of people leaving Cisco UK org is astounding. Which is a respite for us. If these people are indeed leaving by themselves then hopefully no LRs will be needed in near future.
Don’t fool yourself. In the past we could sacrifice open reqs instead of LRs. Things might have changed but that wasn’t allowed in the LRs or 2019/20. It was cancellation of open reqs and a percentage of remaining headcount.
Despite the fact that the job market is not ideal at the moment and there are many hiring freezes,
Where are you based? The tech job market is pretty good right now. AWS, VMWare, Meta, Google, MSFT, Salesforce, ServiceNow are all hiring.
Amount of people leaving Cisco UK org is astounding. Which is a respite for us. If these people are indeed leaving by themselves then hopefully no LRs will be needed in near future. There are platoon of well known people just quitting or abruptly moving internally.
@2zba+1iaRjw1V Cisco does not create software just buys the company and maintains the product. You do not need top Google senior level talent when you can hire 1000 contractors in India to patch acquired code with bubblegum. Buy, bundle, sell, and repeat is the name of the game.
@2zba+1iaRjw1V Cisco does not create software just buys the company and maintains the product. You do not need top Google senior level talent when you can hire 1000 contractors in India to patch acquired code with bubblegum. Buy, bundle, sell, and repeat is the name of the game.
The interview determines what you know, not what you write on your resume.
I think “I was the lead for Adobe Flash” in a resume is all I’d need to disqualify a candidate 😬
Most Cisco engineers don’t have the basics from a 1980s sophomore data structures course (particularly teardown) which means interviewing a senior candidate (not senior year) from Cisco requires testing remedial programming skills as well as programming language and OS API skills which really eats into the time to cover the senior skills. Move up to junior year skills with a request to make up some requirements will result in some broken code they had time to run through a compiler but didn’t and still represented it as real code, not pseudocode, which is still not requirements. If a resume comes in do I want to deal with that?
"Why leave when the living is easy"
Finally someone with a bit of wisdom. I guess many others idealize jobs outside Cisco for all sorts of reasons. Most of them aren't unfortunately good.
Managers need to take care of their staff before the staff finds new management to take care of them.
@1aff+1iaRjw1V
This poster put really well: "People have figured out a way of how to scam Cisco back after being scammed by Cisco."
Scam the Scammer, Cheat the Cheater.
Why leave when the living is easy. At 30, it’s not a bad hustle for a few years. Meraki not bad.
Cisco can't cut 50% of its workforce because each of those people that are protecting thier jobs - hordes information to ensure they still have a job the next quarter. If you cut anyone, you also lose large swaths of your projects and initiatives. (Which is part of why everyone is freaking out about attrition).
Many people refuse to document thier work even when pressed because we have all learned that makes you vulnerable.
Information silos and the disgruntled lack of putting in full effort are both products of the layoffs that constantly happen.
If Cisco doesn't stop constant layoffs it will never be able to repair its culture. It is festering from the inside.
Nearly everyone hates thier job, talks sh-t about thier leaders and co-workers, and generally tries to destroy the company they work for while making it look like they are doing the opposite. Most everyone smiles pretty for leaders then dismantles or disconnects outside of thier presence.
The only way to fix it is with honesty, integrity, and stopping the constant bleeding wounds you create with layoff cycles. The leaders lie - so they create a culture of distrust and dishonesty.
"Hiring Managers and Talent Acq staff at other tech companies do NOT consider experience at Cisco as experience"
Gosh you're so full of craap. The interview determines what you know, not what you write on your resume. You can work on relevant tech at Cisco. Mostly your choice.
Of course more ppl leave. No one with a good solid professional career in a motivational spirit would stay here. Cisco's business culture is very so unique. It's not even introducing any tech market standard. In other words, how long you stay and experience at Cisco, nothing you experienced at Cisco can be utilized at other tech companies. I mean, what could you possibly write in your resume you experienced at Cisco? Nothing really. No methodology. No expertise. No nothing. That's why long-tenured employees with decades' experience at Cisco cannot move to another company and they're are going to stay at Cisco for the rest of their... Sad, aren't they?
As a matter of fact, Hiring Managers and Talent Acq staff at other tech companies do NOT consider experience at Cisco as experience.
Cuts will always be necessary at Cisco, it's part of the DNA. 50% of employees can be cut and Cisco will be able to function. Haven't you heard of folks who constantly brag on this site about how they work only 1.5hrs per day? People have figured out a way of how to scam Cisco back after being scammed by Cisco.