I find it both funny and sad that just doing your job now has a new fancy name. That we have been conditioned to do much more than is expected of us and much more than we're paid for to the point that just doing our jobs is considered slacking off or as the younger generations are calling it, quiet quitting. You can downvote me all you want, but just doing your job should be the norm. People shouldn't live to work. What a sad reality we live in.
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I think working your a— off should be the norm but that’s just me. If you want to do the bare minimum go be a teacher.
@1jhh "a straight-shooter with upper-management written all over him"
Some of this Quiet Quitting isn't so "quiet". There's more to it.
Remember all the talk about "employee engagement".....? There was Engaged, Disengaged, and Actively Disengaged.
I think Quiet Quitting is the same as being Disengaged. But there are more and more people who are getting vocal about it. These "Not so Quiet Quitters" are Actively Disengaged and taking things to a new level.
It’s just more lefty BS so they justify their mid to lower performance. No wonder we’re offshoring
@jtr+1ih4Iar7
Amen! Took the words right out of my thoughts…
The irony for me is that after years and years of hustling to be a top performer I hit a sort of “meets” plateau for 2 years. My boss was still calling me a rockstar but rating me a meets without any constructive feedback. I decided what’s the point and started just doing my job well but nothing more, no more extra projects, no more constantly stretching myself out of my comfort zone to create an illusion of personal growth etc. You know what happened? I got an exceeds rating and a promotion on my next review. I don’t feel like there’s any rhyme or reason to how the new performance management process works…
Exceeds gets you NOTHING. NO EXTRA MONEY. Meet and/or minimum.
The bossgirls and boys do NOT care abt us. We're all clowns in the ghetto circus
Do your job at the minimum. That's what they're paying you for. That's it. No more, no less. Mininum. This us empire is disgusting. We're laughing stocks. no employment rights, employment at will doctrines, etc.etc.. F it. Do the minimum. And HR is not your friend. They're cucks for the corporation.
@sbx+1ih4Iar7 So unfortunate. I hope WFB wakes up finally and changes RTO back to WFH. Watch productivity skyrocket.
Putting in the effort to be an exceeds type contributor never got me anything but more work when the slackers didn’t come through.
After a while I realized I was just being a chump.
Now I’m coasting to retirement. If they want to lay me off, all the better. Either way, I’m done.
Let’s keep talking about how great quiet quitting is!
Nailed it. FRTO.
I've been an "exceeds" employee and I've been a "meets" employee (especially these days) and financially, it's not worth the work, hours or stress to be an "exceeds". Why ki-l yourself for very little upside?
I applaud "quiet quitting". I'm also a long-time employee. Years ago, I had a manager tell me that if I think I have a 40 hour a week job, I have another think coming. My current manager just told me my next project will require much more than 40 hours a week, and this expectation will continue due to our groups change in strategy. Another manager told his team that there is no such thing as being overcapacity and had mandatory overtime for three years. This included not just during the week, but weekends and holidays.
So, it's not about those eager beavers who want to work overtime, but decides to back off, It's about a culture of workaholic for decades that needs to change. If you work in an area of the bank that doesn't do this, be grateful. And realize your reality might not be the same in other departments or teams
Actually, this is not new, except it used to happen to older workers.
We called it, 'retiring at your desk'.
Pikers, all of them.
We want winners here, not pikers.
@fdq+1ih4Iar7
"Quiet Quitting is what happens when an "Exceeds" person is changed to a “Meets”"
Astute observation.
Answering emails outside of work hours and while on PTO is not doing your job or being an Exceeds employee. It's more like you aren't managing your time well or communicating effectively with partners so they step in for you while your away, or providing your direct reports with someone to go to in your absence.
If not doing work outside of normal work hours is your idea of "quitting" ok. But, I am here to tell you that doing that was never your job and is not the way to manage your work life.
Sounds like this form of quiet quitting will teach a lot of people appropriate work behavior and boundaries.
Interesting discussion. I'm mixed on this one. I'm a long time employee. Early on I was a rising star and worked very hard to advance quickly. I was not alone. Many of us worked long days and most weekends. That drive is gone in this new company. Now, I just do my work to keep collecting a paycheck.
What most people on this thread don't seem to understand is that we weren't forced to do all the extra work. We loved our jobs! We worked on great teams with amazing people. We wanted to work very hard on shared but challenging goals.
I miss those days! I would gladly go back to 70-hour work weeks to be doing meaningful with with great people.
I'm a frequent "Exceeds" who has grown tired and frustrated by all the team-busting policies that have been handed down.
RTO has ki---d the productivity of my team. My peers who were designated 100% remote years before the pandemic, have slowly changed to doing "just enough". They used to give 110%, now they are frustrated by their new commutes, the costs of commuting, and the time requirements of commuting.. they used to work 10 hours a day, now they barely work 6 hours a day. they come in, leave mid-afternoon, just so they can check the "in the office" box. Our office spaces are barely 5% used.. there's nobody else in office but a few and it's a totally demoralizing experience. We've lost good people this year due to this failed policy. We cannot recruit new talent because of this failed policy.
Quietly quitting is an excellent term, it accurately represents what's happening across my larger team.
After gaining some work life balance I honestly feel sorry for those people I see emailing me at all hours......I'm telling you people these years fly by and some of you doing this have small children and spouses looking for attention. You can't get this time back and don't risk fracturing your personal relationships. And yes, I was that over achiever...it's not worth it in the end.
Quiet Quitting is what happens when an "Exceeds" person is changed to a “Meets”
The Quite Quitters are becoming an army with varying tactics. Can't wait to see how HR will handle this. They pretend to pay us our worth and we pretend to work.
Yay the sheep have awoken. Now, reach behind your back and make sure your spine is still there, if so, check between your legs and ensure b*lls are too. When you’re ready, grab your human intuition and do what’s right for yourself and watch the world move out of its way for you…
Golf on Friday, hungover and late on Monday. 2 hour lunches and 45-minute water cooler conversations.
Being a climate/diversity activist is job 1, everything else comes second...including making money for the bank.
So who defines what a "legit emergency" is...? To some managers, everything is an emergency. F them.
100%
To me, "Quiet Quitting" means doing my job as well as I can, while clawing back time for my personal life. And creating more separation as well.
In other words, no more answering emails at night or while on pto, no more working on holidays and weekends unless there is a legit emergency, and no more volunteering for tons of extra work.
It doesn't mean being lazy or doing a lousy job at all. It is just a way to restore the balance which existing until a decade or so ago.
Quiet Quitting is what happens when an "Exceeds" person becomes discouraged and chooses to become a "meets" person.
That's me.
Amen!
Work to live. Don’t live to work. I’m paid to “Meet Expectations”. That’s what I give them. “Exceeding Expectations” only creates an uncompensated culture of exploitation where management believes they can do more with less by burning out the assets and resources at their disposal. There’s nothing in it for anyone to innovate at Wells Fargo.. unless you’re into enriching Charlie and the board? 🤷🏻
I don't think quiet quitting is just doing your job. I thought quiet quitting was doing enough to not get fired and prioritizing other things over work. Basically, not caring about your job but not doing anything that would get you fired either. Having an "I don't care" or "Whatever" attitude towards your job.