Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Just install safety nets for the jumpers - Nothing to see here.

@5eom

Yes, that is a typical pattern for an offshoring operation to any foreign country. It's much easier for companies like HW to offshore on a large scale when they have first "pulled in" folks from the other side into key management positions. Those people get to learn the ropes in the US and then they become the key cultural bridge to offshore operations back to their home country.

The problem is that this idea is so propagandized that people are forgetting these offshoring decisions always come from top executive management at HW. Offshoring to that ONE country makes executive leadership, the board of directors, and major shareholders of HW an absolute ton of money but instead they want everyone to blame THAT one country for the offshoring. This is how executive leadership keeps itself out of hot water while they keep moving your job overseas.

Who started the process on "pulling in" folks to start the cultural bridge to offshore operations? It was top executive leadership at HW. Who gave those people the authority to facilitate the offshoring process? It was top executive leadership at HW. Who continues to sign off on the offshoring of jobs to THAT one country. Its top executive leadership at HW.

People need to stop obsessing over THAT one country and start asking why top executive leadership is selling everyone down river. The thieves aren't outside... they are inside the house...

Yeah we have 2 very distinct issues…

offshoring in general and the quality drop which ends up costing more.
the very public use of offshoring ONLY and SYSTEMATICALLY to one specific country. Not only that but the replacement of all engineering leadership with people from ONLY that country which enables even more systematic outsourcing to only their country of origin. It’s not even hidden. They boast about it while thinking we are not able to see the wave

The hucksters here were the ones that initiated offshoring, happily lining the pockets of corrupt and dangerous regimes everywhere. These hucksters were once adulated by the lemmings of Wall Street -- the resulting damage to democracy and the livelihood of countless workers here is now evident for all to see.

@1mbl

I totally understand where you are coming from and I don't dispute the idea that other countries are always looking out for their own interests... in every aspect. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The problem is that is that it has has no bearing on what is actually being discussed here (i.e. who actually makes the decisions to offshore jobs).

What you have just demonstrated is how propaganda distracts people and pushes them out into the weeds. The CEO's want us to focus our energy at foreign countries because it ensures that they will never face the heat for what they are doing. The last thing these CEO's want is to wake up one day to a massive crowd with pitchforks so their best defense is to use propaganda to keep people distracted...

@OP+1j9BiKeK

Offshoring is much more complex than you describe. You can't possibly believe that China didn't think long and hard about how offshoring could be used to weaken the U.S. Read the book Unrestricted Warfare. It was written by two Chinese army Colonels in 1999. They are well versed in Sun Tsu's Art of War and spell out China's plan to topple the U.S. and any other adversary that gets in the way of China's bid at world domination.

@1pqc

Foreign countries cannot "Force" a company to offshore its jobs. The company always makes that call on its own and its from the top... every single time. If you knew anything about GE then you would know that former CEO's from GE openly talk about it because looking back they can see all the damage they caused. Here are the words from Jeff Immelt himself:

“CEOs like me grew up in the era of wage arbitrage, where we felt like we could put jobs anywhere we wanted to and have people still love us... those days are long over. Over time, I became cognizant that there was a reason why American society didn’t trust business. It had a lot to do with wage arbitrage, outsourcing—things that really had a negative impact on the high-end industrial worker that was so essential. In a town like Erie, Pennsylvania, people don’t go from working at GE, making $36 an hour, to working at factory X making $30 an hour. They go from earning $36 an hour to earning $15 an hour. And that gap is a hugely negative impact. I get that.”

The problem is not only outsourcing but the abuse by one country to ONLY and SYSTEMATICALLY replace others with the own country of origin. They abuse the H1B system and sink us.
Look at the failed software effort of Hon. A joke. Failed GE same people and now girlish and his country of origin first before any other. Aero has always been a target and is now a focus… we are done if we can’t stop this abuse by a single country

Outsourcing and the systematic replacement of employees by H1B is abuse and destroys companies. Every corp that has allowed unrestricted outsourcing found themselves in decline. The excuse of finance is a gimmick especially when one see the real cost of failed projects and repeat and rinse due to poor workmanship and capabilities

Offshoring is nothing more than systematic abuse of poverty. It is a form of slavery.