Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

We have few actual project managers

There are too many project managers because the company put too many people that they didn’t know what to do with over the years into that title, often following a reorganization. Real project management is a true profession, which requires professional training and acumen. Here at T, maybe 15% or less of people in the title are actual project managers, holding a professional certification. You can p-o p-o the PMP certification all you’d like, but it does require many documented hours of verified work on projects and passing a rigorous exam with an over 50% failure rate. Many here don’t invest the money, time, and trouble into it because why should they? This company doesn’t really recognize any distinction between those that maintain a certification and those that never bothered with it. Folks here would be smart to take advantage as many orgs will pay for PMI membership yearly and your certification. Because even if it’s not really valued here, it’s a valuable certification for those seeking employment in project management.

Nicely put, @1dob+1jyXuc1Z.

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" Not taking anything away from the professionals at all but don’t believe certification is 100% the litmus test."

You're correct. This from a PMP. You don't need it to be a good PM.

But if you're a good PM, you should commit to taking the time to get it, for your own benefit.

Especially if you can get T to pay for your PMI membership and certification.

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Post ID: @2tei+1jCsUCZx

Anyone can be a Real Estate Agent, a Teacher, or a Project Manager. They aren't real jobs.

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Post ID: @ywx+1jCsUCZx

Agree that many now have that role due to reorgs who are basically note takers. However there are also some with the skill sets and knowledge that have been invaluable on various projects. Might not have certificates but they know their business on particular business venues. Not taking anything away from the professionals at all but don’t believe certification is 100% the litmus test.

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Post ID: @wyz+1jCsUCZx

I haven't seen real management here at T in years. Doesn't matter if it is Project Management. T has a serious lack of management skills at all levels. Last few managers I've had couldn't manage a kid's lemonade stand, much less an IT project.

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Post ID: @nyk+1jCsUCZx

right. Assessment of company recognition and reward for skill and achievement is not as valuable as a mentor who needs his ego polished as well as other bodily areas. Once you reach the point where vacation and seniority are good and only a few years from retirement; you are a slave. A job change will not increase your pay or time off. Pay raise is minimal and motivating you to leave on your own will begin. So will quiet quitting.

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