Do you think the main reason is inadequate compensation? I am looking for another job, but not because of higher pay, but primarily because of a toxic manager. In addition, the ones I know who left here have advanced in their careers in a very short period of time more than they would have if they had stayed here for a few more years.
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The idea that their is a lot of attrition is a myth. Truth is their are many too many boomers at Exxon that are blocking advancement for the rest of us - we are the future, boomers are the past and need to go, unfortunately they wont Exxon is ranking the boomers at the bottom because they should be ranked low they drink coffee and go to the bathroom all day - all friggin day. The boomers then get on this site and pretend that they are millennials and gen z and write that Exxon is toxic and they are quitting. Attrition among younger people is average for the industry and close to zero for the useless boomers. The boomers wont help anybody they tell people go figure it out for yourself's. Exxon would be a great companies if not for the boomers but they will be gone this summer.
Rather than tell people the truth, or get them in the best positions, they use forced ranking & delayed/unfriendly upward CL movement, e.g. new ranking system supposed to reset each year, but in reality it only works one way - to the disadvantage of the employee. Can go from great to PIP in one cycle, but three or more cycles to recover from a single down year.
Now, managers are using the Dallas MC move to justify return to office arrangements to force more U.S. attrition.
@3uvs - my company is continuing to interview and bring in experienced new hires as we speak. I sit near the interview rooms and the talent team. Not sure where you came up with that line.
@1jbc I call BS.
- Job offers rarely go out at this time of year from US-based companies.
- You’re typically given 72 hours to respond to an offer of employment or they rescind it.
I think you’re telling us about more of your silly fantasies. I’ll put your comment in the same bin as “I just got a 50% pay increase working with a tech company”.
@2qwl Did you like, uh, read what I wrote?
I assume that stuff written on the internet is stuff written on the internet. I don’t really assume anything beyond that. Seems like you might though.
@2cdt+1, please don’t assume anyone actually thinks XOM cares why any one of us leaves when we are only answering the question posed by OP. That’s a weird take on the thread. One has to wonder if you are in management or just actively trying to get there.
@1fzs Well, go then. Best of luck to you.
In general, nobody cares that you’re quitting your job or why. Exxon definitely doesn’t care. Neither will your next employer.
The fact is that there’s no meaning to be found in working for someone else, unless it’s for Unicef or something like that.
I think a lot of people would be less bitter and burnt-out if they treated their job like a source of income instead of making it a part of their identity.
@1fzs … You wrote the absolute most masterful piece ever to grace these pages. Kudos to you. I left the company in 2022 on my terms as high ranked person as I could no longer take the lies and hypocrisy. Great note and insight that I hope will read and upvote.
For me, I am leaving for many reasons, but above all, I’m leaving because I can’t watch the runaway freight train of dysfunction.
If it was just one di-k move, it’d be different, but the past few years have been one bad decision after another.
You receive an email promising no layoffs only to have fake PIPs a few months later.
You watch as good people are forced to retire or let go.
You take on added responsibilities & duties because so many left.
You become overworked and overwhelmed.
You tell your manager you can’t keep all the ba--s in the air.
You are told “too bad” and are soon adversely ranked.
You get no pay raise. You are told there’s no budget for it.
After a while, you realize the gaslighting, BS, and complete nonsense you are fed everyday is now “business as usual”.
Add this all together and mix in record profits, hot desking, outsourcing, dwindling talent, management’s apathy & arrogance, and you have a situation nice & ripe for massive attrition.
At some point you can’t pay people enough to stay.
The whole of Exxon is a Cult.
All of the systems, OIMs Cims, LPS all have Cult behaviours attached to them.
TOXIC COMPANY CULTURE
OP, I have two offers right now with higher pay. I am seriously debating with myself if I should take one of them or not. Of course, I have a couple of weeks to decide. In my mind I cannot believe Exxon has imploded like this. I just cannot get my head around this complete collapse of the corporation because of the total incompetence and short-sightedness of the CEO and the VPs. In my mind, leaving would be like accepting that I have failed. But, I have not. I am highly ranked. And I am paid very well. And the benefits are great. It is just that Exxon's culture has been completely destroyed by these three clowns. It's very hard to accept that I have spent twenty five years of hard work to be forced to leave like this. It really hurts. But, I have no choice. I have to go. Hey Darren, you will have a few more dollars in "efficiencies" in a few weeks. You can shovel them up your a$$.
Maybe because company leadership has shown itself to be unethical?
People are leaving due to forced hand off of their job to BTC ETC!!! They are FORCED to handoff their work and then they are PIPd for low performance. Exxonmobil is turning on their American employees. It is vile and people see this and can't stomach it! They know it is only a matter of when it is their turn to be replaced like a used diaper!
My reason for leaving is that there's nothing to do. No work, no prospects, no growth, no development, no training. Never have I seen such a decline as there's been since covid. When the professional aspects are so deficient, then the cultural gaps as well mean the hurdle to leave becomes just a very small step.
OP true that a single manager can be toxic, but, it's not a good reason to leave. People change roles frequently. The single biggest reason people are leaving is that they have good business sense and can see the Company is uncharacteristically grasping at short term trends for now and not the usual solid long term Exxon view (which has been made public anyway). Exxon is but one of thousands of big companies people can be successful in. There are no hard feelings if you choose to take control of your own career for your personal advantage. If you feel you haven't been specifically told you will have a successful long term career with the Company, then you most likely won't, unless you call hanging around and grinding away in the same job a career. Spread your wings and go. It's a win-win. No hard feelings.
Op, your manager or you will move in less than a year, most likely. I would never recommend resigning based on a single person. You are also correct. The attrition is creating a lot of opportunity for good, young employees. However, you need to consider if you want the culture and you also need to consider if you are ready to move too quickly. (I recognize no young person is going to say they are moving too quickly, but the truth is that I have seen many middle-managers promoted beyond their competencies. It is real. We have our current leaders because of a similar resignation wave in the early 2000s. People got juggernauted into positions in which they don’t belong….or skipped tenure that could have built real competencies.)
Pay is quite fair in many positions and locations. Some skills and locations are underpaid. Management recognizes this, but would rather outsource than increase pay in many cases.
If your salary is roughly correct, it comes down to this question: Is the company paying enough for the culture? Bloomberg article was correct. For enough pay, people will tolerate a bad culture and high workload. They will live without a desk. They will live with ridiculous OPEX limits, and company priorities that are in direct conflict, and poor managers. ….but if you can find another company with a better culture at similar pay, why would you stay?
It’s an ongoing debate in my head too. If your pay is fair, it is easy to make excuses for the company or think things will get better. It’s not koolaide drinking, per se, but it might be close. It actually might be worse, as koolaide drinkers embrace the dysfunction and believe it is the-way. The skeptics that hang-on for change are disappointed over and over, and struggle not to feel resentful. Someone is going to tell me ‘it’s only a job’ and that is true too.
Low cost tech centers, toxic managmenet, ranking system that promotes back stabbing, hot desking, stagnant wages, useless GMT's, reduced training opp.....
Heard many times by the people leaving BR, people still getting crushed by the side effects of COVID "non-layoffs". You push people to do multiple jobs, they get burned out, then they leave. It just keeps stacking on top of the people still around.
You will likely experience all of the above if you stay long enough.
Nobody in Annandale is doing real work. Just cut the cr-p!
Basically a compounding amount of boosheet plus knowing we will all be replaced by offshored folks coming as expats. Keep it, ciao.
I left because of compensation, lack of clarity in my profesional development and a company filled with uneccesary process burdens.
Also from BR. I’d say the self serving group leads in addition to the toxic managers. I can’t wait for Emre to repurpose ours so we can stand a chance at real leaders, they will be great in core. They have already been primed to steal credit from the sites and speak using big words. Arrogance gets a check too.
Within BR is the toxic managers followed by layoff pips, followed by the loss of team atmosphere due to fake pips and lastly money.
The single biggest reason for attrition is the fact that people who should have moved on a long time ago refuse to do so.
Ergo…
Management has been compelled to take extraneous measures to encourage otherwise reasonable people to obey their own common sense.
If i left it would be because of forced ranking and poor leadership
The real reason for attrition is the good-looking ones are leaving only to be replaced rapidly by the fuglies.