Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Charlie & Co disadvantage employees with the annual match. When 6% is more like 4%.

The most generous plans match your contributions each pay period while the least generous plans only provide the employee match once a year. An annual match advantages the employer and disadvantages the employees.

A 6% employer match distributed annually to an employee's 401k can disadvantage them compared to a per-paycheck match because it prevents employees from utilizing dollar-cost averaging, essentially meaning they miss out on the potential benefit of investing smaller amounts of money at different market points throughout the year, potentially reducing their overall investment return; essentially, they are putting a larger sum of money into the market at one time which can be riskier depending on market conditions.

Our match was distributed near market highs for the year, when the S&P 500 was up nearly 25% for the year, meaning you were able to buy less stock with the match. Wells Fargo benefited from the rally, not us. If our Head of Equity Strategy is correct, the same will happen next year because he expects a gain of 19% by the end of 2025.

Additionally, the one-time annual match takes away our ability to profit from the power of compounding interest/gains on the match amount throughout the year. Compounding multiplies your savings at an accelerated rate.

Vanguard did a study back in 2017 and concluded that an annual match vs a pay period match will cost an employee (making $40,000 per year) $50,000 by the time they retire. This study takes certain assumptions in to account and assumes the employee will miss out on several years of matches due to job changes. How much will the annual match cost you if you’re making more than $40K per year? ( I hope you are.)

Finally, let’s not forget that Wells Fargo has been found guilty of violating their Fiduciary responsibilities regarding the 401K plan in several different ways:

  • Overpaying for company stock
  • Choosing investment options which benefited Wells Fargo at the expense of employees (high fee, low performance)

New lawsuit alleges:

  • Wells Fargo mismanaged its 401k plan by using assets forfeited by former workers for it’s own financial benefit instead of plan participants.

Dollar-cost averaging:
By contributing a set amount with each paycheck, an employee can buy more shares when the market is low and fewer when it's high, mitigating risk.
Missing out on dollar-cost averaging can potentially lead to a lower overall return on their retirement savings.

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@h2+1jgn54vq0 with math this bad I hope you aren’t giving advice to anyone else. “6% then PUT THE REST into a ROTH”. Hahahahah. Ffs read a book and get a calculator.

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Post ID: @vj+1jgn54vq0

Do 6% for match and put the rest in a Roth IRA outside of WF. Self manage it if you are savvy investing, WF 401k has inferior investing instruments that will sc--w you more than the dollar cost averaging.

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Post ID: @h2+1jgn54vq0

@cn+1jgn54vq0 Thanks for playing, buy you make absolutely no sense. The point is to dollar cost average throughout the year to mitigate risk..

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Post ID: @d4+1jgn54vq0

Don’t be stupid just frontload all of your contributions, including your bonus at the beginning of the year. You couldn’t do that if they did spaced contributions. You work at a bank develop some intellect

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Post ID: @cn+1jgn54vq0

It's Wells Fargo what do you expect? Wake up.

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Post ID: @ck+1jgn54vq0

I've been here 15 years and it was always a quarterly match. I guess we should have complained then that it was very two weeks?

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Post ID: @cb+1jgn54vq0

And in the end, nothing will done to change it. As Kurtis Blow once said...these are the breaks.

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Post ID: @c2+1jgn54vq0

Just start contributions in November as 25% and 0% until then.

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Post ID: @af+1jgn54vq0

I like how they deleted any 401k related files, even WF issued statements, off all the work PCs, right before claims from that lawsuit required documentation showing key data that would determine the size of your settlement. That was the best.

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