Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

To Nevada Engineer: Engineers have a much more structured workplace than the ISC or other groups. ISC is constant fire drill--it never ends. Also there is no depth in the organization. Luckily I have a good leader who understands that if his group does not get some time off, it doesn't benefit the employee or honeywell. I agree that 'unlimited' vacation is a scam.

None, Zero, Zilch..... Balance the work hours and unlimited vacation and it's all just a scam.

I'm going to prove I work with a bunch of addicts. They will give back their vacation in order to work overtime.

I tried to take vacation in accordance with the old policy, i.e, 6 weeks after 30 years of service. However, the "need to overdrive REVCOGS" mantra meant I worked 200+ hours of unpaid overtime (exempt employee) each year after the bogus "unlimited vacation" policy began. Thus I realistically netted about 80 hours of vacation at best. Yep, I'm the fool who basically gave it away for free out of a misguided sense of wanting to do a good job. Not any more.

@4sgl, you're definitely a relentless piece of work, abusing strangers on a layoff site who have done nothing to you. I helped myself by quitting after my repeated requests for backup were ignored. Where I work now, I am still the only person assigned to do what I do but I've been able to train others to cover for me. My current employer also offers "unlimited vacation" but I've been able to take the PTO I've asked for. When I interviewed, I asked every individual if they were actually able to take reaonable PTO, and they gave examples of their recent vacations.

So, I am not the victim you perceive me to be. Very telling that you zero in on perceived weaklings...puppy kicker! That's truly as dysfunctional as it gets. Unfortunately, those with your psych profile NEVER seek the help they need.

Someone who voluntarily accepts abuse - I assume no one is forcing you to work for Honeywell - has as much of a mental health problem as the alleged abuser. Get help.

Haha looks like @3nmp doesn't have a Saturday night date.

Realistic? Can you read with comprehension? I am currently the only person who provides certain services. In no way does that imply that no one else COULD do what I do. You're really straining to create some drama where there need not be any. Looks like our new troll is settling in.

So you think that you are the only person who does what you do in the entire company?You are mistaken. You are focused on your little universe. Whatever it is there are plenty of people in your SBG alone that they could turn your work over to.

It is not unlimited. It is undefined.

@1zin - if you are the only person who does what you do, you should be getting even more vacation. Or leave. You sound like you have unique skills, and it’s a great job market. Do yourself a favor and at least look around. I thought I could never get another job and I was snapped up so fast I did not even have to interview. I was offered everything I could have asked for too. Do yourself a favor and at least look.

I am in the same boat as the OP. However, last year I was able to take a total of 12 days instead of the previous 20 available under the old plan. I had to carry over 3 days to get 2 weeks off during the Christmas holiday. So far this year, I've had 5 days off and it looks like I'll have no time off over the holidays due to layoffs and quits. Unlimited vacation is a crock as I originally thought it would be. Honeywell will do nothing to improve your life.

Unlimited vacation is just an end around for not paying for unused vacation time for those who leave or retire during the year, or those forced to work.

The extra bonus is the vagueness of the policy, which makes the employee the guilty one when taking time off.

Of course, there are a few reasonable
Managers who will work with their direct reports to assure well deserved time off. Emphasis on few.

This unlimited vacay is the crime of the century. Some HR we---e got them some nice stock options for that hoax. Unlimited = FAKE NEWS

It all depends on your manager I think. I ask my team to send calendar invite before hand and I make sure there is a backup. Everyone deserves a break now and then and they fking deserve it!

So some of us have had a hard time getting PTO approved, and others have not. I wrote the quoted post and assure you I am not exaggerating. Part of it has to do with being the only person who does what I do. Good for the rest of you; there is no need to cast aspersions on those whose experience differs from yours. Every office and local LT is different.

The company touts "unlimited vacation" as some sort of special employee benefit but nothing could be further from the truth. They pitch it as a system in which you can expect to take vacation whenever you want so long as your work is not negatively impacted, your team/department is not negatively impacted, and your manager approves it. The reality is that it is impossible to meet the criteria above because everyone is overworked and understaffed. This is a system designed to never actually let you take vacation...

Under the old system you earned / accrued "vacation days" as a work benefit. This meant that a person would get paid out those unused vacation days when they left the company. Now with the "unlimited vacation" system you don't actually "earn" vacation days anymore, so when you leave they don't owe you anything...

The "unlimited vacation" system is a gigantic scam...

even back in the days before "unlimited" vacation, I had to schedule my vacation several months in advance. In actual operating facilities, you need to make sure there is coverage for various positions. Working internally with the team to decide who "gets" Christmas and Thanksgiving was always the biggest part of that. This is even true of companies not named Honeywell.

unliminted vacation was simply a way to save costs on accrued vacation when laying off people. Remember, HON will only do things that are in the company's best interest, not yours

It seems to me that it is best to schedule your unlimited vacation at the start of the year. That way your manager has to schedule jobs around your vacation. I have never scheduled vacation until at least a month or so before I wanted to take it. Last year, I found that when I wanted to take the vacation, the time was filled with project work. And given that Honeywell's manpower shortage has been a continual thing, I couldn't get the vacation. I had a total of 88 hours of vacation. (including doctor visits) This year, I have scheduled the week of Thanksgiving and the 3 weeks at the end of the year. We will see how it works out. I don't think it will happen though and I'll be out of here shortly after the new year.

Been taking the same amount as the old system due to a good manager and director.

I am not sure which departments or managers do you work with/for!. But, over the past 8 years, I have consistently taken a minimum of 2 weeks of vacation time and a maximum of about 3 weeks or 3.5 weeks, with at least 1 full week (5 business days, including 2 weekends) in a row at a time. Some are claiming that they have not been able to take much vacation time, but I wonder if they work as a slave or what. If your manager isn’t allowing you to take a vacation, then you are probably being taken advantage of - you should report him to the executive office or HR. Myself and most of my colleagues have had no issues with vacation time as long as we deliver our tasks on time. I think stories around lack vacation time in your post is a bit exaggerated or at least not an incident that can be generalized to every single department at HON.

I work in the Nevada office, engineering position.