Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Corporate Risk under Jennifer Ruggiero informed of in office hour expectations

Corporate Risk under Jennifer Ruggiero was informed that employees are expected to be in the office 8 hours a day 3 days a week with no exceptions unless you submit an accommodation or your manager approves a one off request.

For the past five years, employees have successfully adapted to remote and hybrid work, proving that productivity and collaboration do not require a physical office presence. Yet, Wells Fargo insists on a rigid in-office structure that serves no clear purpose beyond justifying expensive office space and reinforcing outdated corporate norms. This decision is not about improving work quality, it’s about control, corporate greed, and maintaining a system that benefits executives at the expense of employees.

This policy also raises an important question: is Wells Fargo truly prioritizing collaboration and work quality, or is this mandate simply a way to stimulate the economy at employees’ expense? Forcing workers back into the office comes with significant financial burdens: higher childcare costs, increased spending on gas and parking, and the added expectation of buying lunches and coffees out. If employees are still conducting most meetings over Teams rather than in person, what real benefit does this policy provide? It feels less like a strategic move for business improvement and more like a calculated effort to justify office space costs and boost local economic activity, all while shifting the burden onto employees.

This policy disproportionately impacts working parents and caregivers, forcing them to make difficult financial and logistical sacrifices to comply with an unnecessary mandate. Historically, the person that is impacted the most is the mom. While some companies are embracing workplace flexibility to support employees through challenging economic times, Wells Fargo is doing the opposite, ignoring the needs of its workforce and demonstrating once again that its commitment to employees is nothing more than empty rhetoric.

In these unprecedented times, companies have a choice: they can evolve to meet the needs of their workforce, or they can cling to outdated policies that prioritize profits over people. Wells Fargo has chosen the latter. Employees deserve better.

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@fn they are :(

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@c1+1jqp9457q I just submitted an anonymous case about this and it was assigned to someone. They reached out through the ethicsline.com for additional details. It gets assigned to someone 5 days after submission. Then you just have to save your case number and check it daily to see if someone needs more information from you.

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I very much doubt they’ll go as far as tracking every moment in/out. Too much potential for error and such. “In office” is designated now as either badging in or connecting to the network at least once. So what I bet they’ll do is just take your earliest badge swipe or network ping on a given day (whichever is earlier) and your latest of either on the same day, and calculate the difference and just look to see that is > whatever threshold they decide. Meaning it won’t count against you if you leave for lunch or whatever. I could be wrong, but that’s the simplest way to do it, and to think it would be done any differently than the simplest way is probably giving them too much credit.

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Post ID: @fn+1jqp9457q

I noticed In a recent update that my location is on and it cannot be disabled

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Post ID: @fg+1jqp9457q

Wells Fargo is not about productivity for employees, it's about satisfying the executives' ego. "Do as I say!"

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@bp+1jqp9457q I submitted an anonymous ethics complaint & it was never picked up. I submitted another a couple years later with a different issue & it was assigned. Do they actually get either if you submit anonymously?

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@bp+1jqp9457q

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn?

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Post ID: @bz+1jqp9457q

If you all have issues with being back in the office 8 hours a day and being tracked you should submit an Ethics Line Report. Some say it may be pointless and do nothing but as the saying goes “the squeakiest wheel gets the oil.”

You can submit a report anonymously as well. If you submit anonymously they’ll give you a case number at the end and you create a password to check on the case.

Reasons to submit a case…

Could this go against DEI? In 2020, when Covid happened a large number of women left the workforce because they didn’t have childcare. So, if families can’t find or afford more childcare for after school or before school while they are at the office 8 hours a day, parents are going to be forced to make a decision to either find a new job elsewhere with flexible working arrangements or not go back to work at all. And historically, the parent that is affected is the mom (a woman). Flexible working arrangements literally promote equity and inclusion.

Also how does this blur the line between exempt and non-exempt employees? If the company enforces this strict in-office requirement and tracks work by the hour without exceptions, does that mean they will also allow PTO to be taken in hourly increments? (Versus the minimum 4 hour pto requirement now). Are they complying with the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)?

Just food for thought!

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Post ID: @bp+1jqp9457q

corporate maga nuts do not care about women and children only if still in the womb

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Post ID: @bn+1jqp9457q

So wouldn’t it have to be 7.5 hours because you get 15 minutes of break time for every 4 hours. They can’t dictate if you stay inside the building during that time. So they would need to run some report including additional swipes during the day. On some campuses you have to walk across campus to eat lunch- again multiple swipes. I can’t even get basic reports related to my job.

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Post ID: @bm+1jqp9457q

Im not sure why people in the comments are so pressed this is AI and say it’s a long post saying nothing…

Takeaways I got from it:

  • 8 hours in office 3 days a week
  • has a greater impact on parents and caregivers, especially women
  • is this move more to stimulate the economy or justify office space vs actually creating more collaboration
  • Covid proved that we work just fine at home

Either you can’t read or you’re an executive that’s trying to distract from thought provoking points

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Post ID: @bk+1jqp9457q

If you need to ask a computer to write a page-long post of zero content, you're the kind of person who is going to be replaced by AI.

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Post ID: @bj+1jqp9457q

we have to accommodate India because we work for them, not the other way around.

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I am in California and the rest of my team is located in different time zones including India. My work starts at 5am PT, meetings continue until 12pm PT, and most of my team members go home around 2pm PT. So I have been driving to the office around 12pm PT and stay there for 2-3 hours and leave because there is no one to talk to. If I have to be in the office for 8 hours, probably I have to wake up 3am-3:30am and start driving around 4am in the morning because it takes about 45 mins to get there. I am not a morning person and hate getting up early. Why do we Americans have to accommodate the Indian time instead of Indians accommodating the US time? Last time I checked, Wells Fargo is headquartered in America, you know?

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If they are setting expectations about in office hours then I’m also be setting expectations about my working hours. On days in office I will NOT be logging in before or after the 8 hour clock starts and stops. If something needs done outside of my working hours, it’ll wait till the next business day. That includes meetings.

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Post ID: @b5+1jqp9457q

There's a very very clear purpose OP. To motivate people to quit. That's all RTO has ever been about.

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Post ID: @b4+1jqp9457q

Yall are really showing your age with the “get over it” comments. This is why half your kids won’t speak to you.. condescending, inconsiderate and stuck in your ways.

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Why is it so bad for us new parents to want a better life for ourselves and our kids? Y’all look down on us for wanting to be able to spend time with our kids and wanting a different schedule than what the older generations had. Covid has shown us that we can work a different schedule than the old school 9-5 to fit our lives and be available to our children. And our work doesn’t suffer.

During Covid and to this day I’ve woken up at 5:30am to start work everyday. I pause my work from 7:30am - 9:30am to get my kids ready and off to school. I then work 9:30am - 2:30pm. I go get my kids and get back to work 3:30 - 4:30/5:30 depending on my breaks. My work gets done and I get to be with my kids. I don’t need to be in an office all day to accomplish my work goals.

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Post ID: @aw+1jqp9457q

As a working parent pre-covid I was never in the office 8 hours a day. It was 6-7 and I was able to leave to pick up my kids from school. Pre-covid had a lot of schedule flexible depending your role of course

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Post ID: @av+1jqp9457q

OMG, how did working parents manage 5 days a week/8 hours a day before Covid? We did, get over it. 3 days a week is a gift.

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Post ID: @as+1jqp9457q

They want to save on redundancy expense so are making it he-l for people to come to work. They want you to quit.

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Post ID: @am+1jqp9457q

the benefit of you going to the office is having employment. if given the choice between an office where none of my team is or employment, I'll choose the office. If a half day PTO counts as meeting in office for that day I see them hard pressed to enforce this on exempt employees especially since as an exempt employee, once I work over 4 hours, being 4.5 or 7.5 hrs, they have to pay me for the full day. If they start messing around with it they just have to reclassify folks or risk a law suit, of which there have been some in the past.

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Post ID: @ak+1jqp9457q

Even if this is AI, there are going to be financial burdens for a lot of people and it does disproportionately impact working parents and caregivers. Also, when I go to the office I literally interact with no one. All my meetings are on Teams. There is no benefit for me to go to the office.

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Post ID: @aj+1jqp9457q

Look at all the fake upvotes. Of course it would be the crazy guy posting more AI garbage lol

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Post ID: @ah+1jqp9457q

If you're just posting AI slop you don't have anything worthwhile to say

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Post ID: @ag+1jqp9457q

How are they planning to enforce this? Using snitches and tattletales.?

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Post ID: @af+1jqp9457q

You can tell who the kool-aid drinking executive is in these comments

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Post ID: @ae+1jqp9457q

Seems like valid points to me

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Post ID: @ac+1jqp9457q

This could've been a single sentence instead of a wall of AI slop saying nothing

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Post ID: @ab+1jqp9457q

get over it. if you don't like the current conditions of your employment go find something else. It will be interesting how this will stand given the number of risk employees that are exempt.

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Post ID: @aa+1jqp9457q

If they want us 8 hours in the office, then give us permanent desks.

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