Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

SE D3 DT/ET work and layoffs

Heard that there are layoffs up to 20%-30% coming for DEG over the course of this and next year, heard it before but never happened so believe it when you see it. CO ET’s are already at low numbers and cover multiple offices so will probably see little to no reductions in that title even though the company has increasingly suppressed many alarms across the network. There is a lot of equipment limping along in simplex with multiple issues both inside and outside in the field. Open any RT cabinet or walk into any CO and see all the alarms, looks like a Christmas tree blinking but no tickets to repair them are being created or just suppressed.

After recently combining DT/ET techs under the same CNIO org and managers the company is now trying to combine the work of DEG DT’s with ET’s. They are in a different family of skills and titles, the job description is something like 10 or 11 pages longer for ET. DEG DT’s are closely aligned with SSIM DT’s so it makes sense to combine them, same title, level and family of skills. Interesting that they didn’t negotiate this during the recent contract negotiations instead, they waited until after contract ratification to try and subvert the members vote and appeal directly to Union leadership. Most members I know aren’t on-board with this hostile attempt to break contractual division of labor, the increase in scope of work, no offer of any wage increase and leader led or compentent training like decades past wouldn’t be offered. It also would change job security for a lot of members based on seniority. Another attempt to throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks, pathetic! Increase revenue no matter the impact to the workforce or long term cost is CEO Stankey’s business model, addition via subtraction.

When they increased the scope of work for ST’s and OPT’s it was done during contract negotiations so the members could vote on it. It included a wage increase, pension bump, promotion from level 30 to level 31 and they didn’t combine their titles or job descriptions.

The corporate globalists are hypocrites when it comes to their jobs. If they want to make a real impact to the bottom line they should flatten the four levels of VP’s or make combo titles then increase the scope of work for upper management. Another option is to off-shore those jobs like the have done with a lot of labor and low to middle management. Not going to happen because they are too important and it only applies to labor below the c suite.

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Post ID: @OP+1jtb361b0

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Yes, on May 14th SE DEG were offered an MOA Emergency Voluntary Severance offer to be off the payroll on June 13th in exchange for corresponding SIPP table plus $50,000.

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Post ID: @28k+1jtb361b0

A lot of these layoffs boils down to who in the management chain has the most power to protect their orgs jobs. They will do whatever it takes to protect their butts, labor is just pawns.

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Post ID: @13e+1jtb361b0

“I agree with previous post of how the union reps, officers and presidents get all excited when they have a dog in the fight. What I found to motivate them more is to engage, voice your opinion and possible solution, the more voices the better.”

From the start of the last D3 contact talks T made it clear that they had it out for DTs(except T seems to enjoy paying them double to do Wire Tech work) & the U seemed to only hold the tail.

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Post ID: @12k+1jtb361b0

Heard the DEG DT layoffs start being announced for next quarter, on June 15th. Nearly all outside titles were protected from layoffs over the last 4 or 5 years while the inside titles were getting surplussed regularly.

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Post ID: @12j+1jtb361b0

I agree with previous post of how the union reps, officers and presidents get all excited when they have a dog in the fight. What I found to motivate them more is to engage, voice your opinion and possible solution, the more voices the better.

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Post ID: @st+1jtb361b0

This is the 1st high quality post in a long time. The Rto crybabies just need to stop posting here.

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Post ID: @r3+1jtb361b0

The union announced that all RLTs are to be contract completed, and not renewed. if the contract employees are all gone, then layoffs can go through with nothing stopping it. It is looking like the Union in CWA 4 is getting ready to let the surpluses begin. Funny enough ATT wanted to renew all of the contract employees, it's the union that's starting this.

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Post ID: @q7+1jtb361b0

It’s bad when the new hires have 23 plus years service.

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Post ID: @ng+1jtb361b0

When I was an SSIM DT in 2020 the systems techs weren’t allowed to bump SSIM DT’s, FT’s and ST’s because they didn’t have climbing school. If they went to climbing school before they would have to qualify again. I noticed that the union was trying to keep people from getting a DEG job even if you had held that title before. Strange things happen when the union reps only want to protect their own jobs.

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Post ID: @n9+1jtb361b0

ET’s and DEG DT’s are already cut to the bone and spread out so far that it would be unrealistic to cut and spread turfs out anymore. Until all of the old equipment is decommissioned, it would be difficult. I would think mtc st’s would be cut drastically before they cut the few ET’s/Dt’s.

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Post ID: @my+1jtb361b0

I'm a SST in the data center with 25 years and I think I might get bumped this round. Not looking good for me.

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Post ID: @mx+1jtb361b0

System Tech can bump a DT. Just happened in MS.

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Post ID: @gk+1jtb361b0

Aren't Sys tech able to bump within the ws32 scale? Many have over 30 yrs seniority. If they're not in the 35 mile radius, then they'll bump within the state. Is that correct?

Just wondering if now may not be a good time to get a vacant Sys Tech spot.

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Post ID: @g6+1jtb361b0

27 ET, 2 DT, 1 FT, 7 ST off payroll in SE on 6/28/25. Also some Systems Techs. Systems Techs can’t bump other titles.

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Post ID: @ex+1jtb361b0

DEG will be doing SSIM digital tech work with wire tech work. If the cable pairs are bad you could repair yourself or send to cable repair. If you send too many to cable repair you’ll be surplussed

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Post ID: @ev+1jtb361b0

Spot on assessment. Epic failure by T & U for not taking the necessary measures to clean up these job titles considering what’s been going on with the work & the managerial alignments as of late. Some of these issues were masked by the layoff freeze that was in place for the last several years. Since that ship has now sailed, scope of work/jurisdiction of titles and work areas needs to be addressed. Change is inevitable and needs to be handled correctly and fairly.
We know T wants as few titles as possible. Combining ET w/ DEG and Sys Tech w/SSIM makes sense in general and seems justifiable except for the pole climbing requirement. Granted most DTs can’t remember the last time they hooked a pole, but the requirement is something that would need to be addressed unless T were to force those 2 titles into the DT title and uphold the requirement.
The nastiness has begun now that we have DTs dispatching on straight up Sys Tech jobs and T just put a bunch of Sys Techs on the surplus list. The way the Sys Techs are spread out you could have junior DTs who took the work from the Sys Techs but the Sys Techs can’t bump them because the DT is beyond 35 miles on paper, forcing the Sys Tech to a state list instead.
At some point in time the elephant in the room is going to have to be addressed and that is the fact that 50-75% of DT SSIM work now is straight up Wire Tech work. BFS management is only interested in keeping themselves on the payroll and their response is that layoffs would be needed if that work went back to the Wire Techs where it belongs. The BFS game of taking work from other departments needs to stop. They’ve lost the overwhelming majority of their work(T1, DS0) and keep their head count up by pilfering from other groups.

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Post ID: @cc+1jtb361b0

OP needs to be quiet! Let the company surplus! I want my severance!

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Post ID: @cb+1jtb361b0

Antiquated systems supported by geriatric boomer workers are being labeled what they are. Dead weight.

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Post ID: @c5+1jtb361b0

Good points. Wonder how many years it will take. This company seems to set targets they will exceed (even the bad business decisions). Believe I read that because of the FCC decisions they are moving ahead with 25 locations. Don’t have a clue what that means end to end but whatever is involved these test cases will set the template for future conversions. Not like Stankey will push to exceed whatever timeline that has been tentatively put forth. HA

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Post ID: @b7+1jtb361b0

To the previous post, yes there are alarms on copper and newer fiber equipment that is in service. Decision has been made to put some equipment into simplex ie. Litespan, muxes, etc. They are also suppressing routine tickets too so it isn’t just on obsolete and abandoned systems. As previous posters stated, they are taking risk to continue with reductions in force. Even if they try to speed up the decomm process it will take years baring just powering it down and leaving in place.

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Post ID: @an+1jtb361b0

How much of that equipment is hooked up to copper? And how many of those alarms are actually hooked up to working equipment in the field? Saw a little slice of this in AP. Alarms coming in for abandoned cables. C&E supposedly didn’t notify AP which meant the centers weren’t notified to pull those cables out of the system and continued to get alarms. We are in a fix it when it breaks mode and not being proactive by fixing it before it breaks. OP makes some good points but seems as if some of those points are from an older technology perspective. There is a huge decrease in work content when fiber is placed and that is end to end. The FCC just gave the company a cleaner path to eliminating copper. I would imagine that 29 date is being moved up.

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Post ID: @ag+1jtb361b0

The company is taking a risk by allowing so much equipment to be in alarm and disrepair. The bill will become due when the next big outage happens and emergency, government, business and residential services are affected. Watch how quickly the finger pointing happens and some poor sap will have to die on their sword for these poor decisions.

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Post ID: @a9+1jtb361b0

"Heard that there are layoffs up to 20%-30% coming for DEG over the course of this and next year, heard it before but never happened so believe it when you see it."

Believe it.

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Post ID: @a8+1jtb361b0

I’ve heard rumors that they are already trying it in Florida, can anyone confirm because we haven’t seen any concrete proof and no MOA’s have been announced. Sounds like a rumor started by company kool-aid drinkers. Hard to believe anyone would agree to this without a serious negotiation when the contract expires in 2029. The contract was ratified and signed last year 2024 and we don’t even have a printed copy from the company yet, is it by design?

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Post ID: @a6+1jtb361b0

I see the site AI or the company moderator is posting the normal 2+ threads after this one to try and bury any real company news/layoff information.

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Post ID: @a4+1jtb361b0

There is several years of Decomm work in the field and the CO’s alone, not counting all the other BAU work like turn ups, provisioning, troubles, routines, etc. Unless they just totally abandon the equipment, can’t see justification for reductions.

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Post ID: @a3+1jtb361b0

AT&T HR and Labor think contracts are just a suggestion. They have been trying to do whatever they want for decades. If nobody pushes back it and files grievance forms for breach of contract it then becomes a precedent. If it were up to the company, they would love to have one (super tech) title and pay scale to do everything despite the various skills, education and training needed. As you suggested, why don’t they combine the many levels and titles of the c suite? Do as I say, not as I do is their mission statement.

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